Episode 140. Letting God Be Enough with Erica Wiggenhorn
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[rebecca_george]: Erica, thank you so much for being with me today. I'm so thrilled to have
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[rebecca_george]: you.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I am so excited to be here.
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[rebecca_george]: This is so fun. I always love when you get on with somebody and you're like
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[rebecca_george]: Okay. We're going to be fast friends and especially on this topic that we
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[rebecca_george]: get to talk about today. I feel like you and I are just cut from the same
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[rebecca_george]: cloth, and I just want to say, I love how we got introduced. So a listener
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[rebecca_george]: of the show came to me, which this rarely happens. I love when this happens,
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[rebecca_george]: but they came to me and they're like. Hey, I know a girl. I know a girl that
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[rebecca_george]: I think you would really love to hear from and I usually would never suggest
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[rebecca_george]: this, but like, Can I introduce you to my friend And it was you And I just I
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[rebecca_george]: love that. I love that that happened. So this is nine minutes into our
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[rebecca_george]: friendship, but I'm just so thankful.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Yes, Vna is an amazing friend of mine and a huge fan of yours and she
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: checks me afterwards and she was like. So I did a thing
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: was like what you do what to do. And she said I have this smallcast and it
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and I've been listening to it for several years And and she was talking
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: about something, and I, man, she needs to meet Erica, and Eric needs to
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: meet her And so
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[rebecca_george]: Mm.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: that's how
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: happened, so it's pretty fun, so hey, I hope you were listening.
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[rebecca_george]: here we are. here we are. I know
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[rebecca_george]: I'm sure she is. I can't wait for her to hear this conversation, so yeah,
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[rebecca_george]: when I got your book in the mail, I was like Oh man, this is going to be
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[rebecca_george]: such a good conversation for I know me and I know so many my listeners. Your
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[rebecca_george]: new book is called Letting God be enough. Why striving keeps you stuck, and
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[rebecca_george]: how surrender sets you free,
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[rebecca_george]: And one of the things I find, I don't know if you feel this way too, when
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[rebecca_george]: you talk to authors is like you read their book title and you're like Okay.
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[rebecca_george]: I just want to know the story behind the book because typically even I know
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[rebecca_george]: for me the books that I dream about writing, and even the one I'm working on
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[rebecca_george]: right now. it comes from my life experience writing things. I have wrestled
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[rebecca_george]: with the Lord. And so I want to hear you. Letting God be enough story.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: so I would say I've always been a striver. Um, a type. A, don't like to
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: sit still. Let's go get her done, kind of girl. That's always
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: just my natural bent. I guess you would say, And being a Christian being
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: part of a church family,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Um, you know, there's always plenty of things to do right as a as a woman
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: as a Christian woman, right, like somebody
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: always needs a casserole. Somebody of these kids always need a ride. Uh,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: somebody always needs to make coffee for the event. You know, there's just
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: always things to be done, Um,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: as a mom in a school community in my kid' sports communities, there's just
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: always stuff to do
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and people that need to do it. And so when you are kind of naturally ader,
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: you end up getting asked to do a lot of things. Um, and
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: for my own self, what I really found Rebecca is,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I was doing a lot of things,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: but I was doing them for the wrong reason,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: our church culture especially really applauds that woman who
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: you know has a pitres worthy home and really cute dressed well behaved
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: kids and she can always be counted on in a pinch to come through and
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[rebecca_george]: yup.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: do what needs to be done, And she does it all with a smile on her face and
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: 's a happy wife, And you know that is sort of what is set up for. Us, as
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: the epitome of
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: what a good Christian girl should look like, act like, be like and do.
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[rebecca_george]: sure.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: And so I tried to do all the things, and
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: eventually it really came to a head in my life because I realized I wasn't
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: doing those things out of love.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Um, I wasn't even necessarily doing all those things because I liked to be
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: a doer. I
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: was doing all of those things out of fear. Um,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: because I felt like if I said no or I didn't do those things, people would
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: reject me or they would think less of me or they would think I wasn't a
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: good Christian or a good wife or mom or friend.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Um.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and so, I just kind of kept the cycle going because I
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: didn't know how to get out of it and I thought if I stopped
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Um,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: everything would just kind of come crashing down and people
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: would walk away from me and not want to be my friend or not think highly
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: of me or judge me or criticize me. Uh, all the up.
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm. Mhm,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: So it comes from a long
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: time
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: of
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: operating out of fear of what other people think, Fear of rejection. Um,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: rather than hey, I, I want to serve this person because I love Jesus and I
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: care about them. No, I
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: was. I was serving people, but I was doing it all for the wrong reasons.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, man, I relate to this so much. I' a doer. I. every personality
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[rebecca_george]: test I've ever taken has put me on like the achiever scale, right. And so I
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[rebecca_george]: relate to everything you're saying And I wonder
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[rebecca_george]: this is a selfish question, but I think a lot of my listeners will relate to
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[rebecca_george]: this.
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[rebecca_george]: Did motherhood affect that for you? So I'm on the other side of motherhood.
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[rebecca_george]: I have not had kids yet. My husband and Ive been married a couple years. If
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[rebecca_george]: this has always been sort of your personality. Was there a new dimension of
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[rebecca_george]: that that you had to wrestle through with the Lord or work through even when
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[rebecca_george]: you became a mom. Like was, that was that one of those points where you and
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[rebecca_george]: the Lord had to be like. Right? How you know? how do we handle this striving
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[rebecca_george]: thing? Or have there been sort of marks along the way where you've You've
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[rebecca_george]: had to? You know, Maybe maybe ask the Lord. Okay, how do I handle this in
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[rebecca_george]: this season? What's that? What's been the the surrender part of it for you?
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[rebecca_george]: Does that make sense?
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Sure, yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: so a big part of the surrender part for it for us was Uh, my husband and
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I. We were married eleven years before we had our first child
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[rebecca_george]: Oh?
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and we,
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[rebecca_george]: okay. that's amazing. Wow.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Yes, Yes, And so that was not our choice. That was not our
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: plan. Uh, God grew our family through his bounty, not through biology, so
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: we were not able to have our own children, And you know that was obviously
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: a
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: hard dark season of this
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: empty belly, an aching heart.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Um.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: But looking back, that was part of the surrender process, right, because
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I had very definite ideas about motherhood and what my kids were going to
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: be like, and what we were going to do and how we were going to look, and
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: H. what all of our Christmas cards were going to look like. Like Okay, I
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: have issues,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Rebecca of issues, Right,
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[rebecca_george]: no, that's real. We all have those thoughts.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Yes, and so I think God knew like, Oh, honey, we've got a. we got to do
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: some work on you before we give
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: you two little humans to take care of. Um, and so that was definitely part
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: of the surrender journey of just going through the infertility and saying
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Okay, If if I don't ever birth a child
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[rebecca_george]: Mm,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: will God be enough? And now you know now I'm on the other side of it. I
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: have a seventeen year old daughter who's getting ready to go off to
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: college next year and a fifteen year old son, and I can't imagine
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: being any other child's mama other than
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: those two. And that was God's plan all along. That didn't mean that it
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: made sense, and it didn't mean that there weren't lots of tears and lots
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: of moments of you know
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: just being angry at God and saying what.
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[rebecca_george]: absolutely,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I don't understand these circumstances. But that was a huge part of the
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: surrender story. For me, Um,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: motherhood is a daily surrender. Because
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[rebecca_george]: yeah.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: you cannot.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: You cannot change
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: a child's heart.
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: You know children are born
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: sinners, like every other human on the face of the planet, and we do are
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: very best to guide and direct them and have them choose what we think is
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: right and how we think they should behave. And and you know the values of
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: our home as husband and wife that we want to pass down to them. But at the
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: end of the day only God can change them, And so from the very first moment
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: that we hold them in our arms, there's this
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: beginning of a long process of surrender. I can remember the first night
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: we brought Elly on a home from the hospital and we had waited. I mean we'd
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: waited
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: six years for this little
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: girl and I'm rocking her in the middle of the night, and I'm just
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: literally crying, partly with gratitude. I'm just so overwhelmed of the of
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: the
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: gift of this little daughter,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Um, but also fear. and I remember just sitting there and rocking her
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and saying to God, please don't let me mess this up. I want to do this
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: right. Please. don't you know God, just help me. I can't.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I. I'm not worthy of this
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: gift that I'm holding right now, and I remember God just whispering to me
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: in the ▁quietness of my heart and saying to me, Erica, If Ellana had a
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: perfect mom,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: why
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: in the world would she ever need a heavenly father
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: And that just struck me right to my heart, Because it's so true, as as
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: moms, we're go to mess up. We have to let God be enough in motherhood. If
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, wow, wow,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: we need to let, there's any place it's going to be
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: motherhood. We're gonna mess up, but that's just an opportunity to point
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: them to Christ and say
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: this is grace. This is what grace looks like. Mam messed this up,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: but God, but God,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so good. So so good. when I was reading three part
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[rebecca_george]: of the book. Okay, I love that you chose the story of Moses as kind of the
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: so really Rebecca, the passion of my life. When people say what are you
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: there are times when we got nothing,
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[rebecca_george]: yep, yp.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and that's okay to say that I think God
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: puts us in those situations on purpose so that
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: we learn to see exactly how big he is like you were
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[rebecca_george]: yep.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: talking about Right, like we've kind of got God in our little box over
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: all of a sudden we get into a situation and we look at the the little box
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: next to us and we're like Oh man, I need a bigger God. Than what fits in
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: this little box I have here,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and God's like well, I was waiting for you to figure that out. Um,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: so I? yeah, it's just not.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: We've got to get our eyes off of ourselves
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, I agree.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: as long as we're looking and inside ourselves and we're stuck in our own
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, and
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Yeah,
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[rebecca_george]: I mean, at the end of the day the messages that we see in the world or the
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[rebecca_george]: it ends up coming back on us again like the very thing we're trying to avoid
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[rebecca_george]: like we're trying to feel more able. We're trying to feel more capable and
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[rebecca_george]: more enough. But what ends up happening is you're turning the mirror right
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[rebecca_george]: back on yourself to look at your past successes or celebrate you know, past
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[rebecca_george]: triumphs and things like that, and like we become what's glorified And
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[rebecca_george]: that's for me. That's the breakdown right
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: right, Mhm,
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[rebecca_george]: like. there's one thing. Um, I forget where I read this, but they were
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[rebecca_george]: talking about. Like the phrase where people will say You know like I believe
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[rebecca_george]: in you and somebody said like I, actually, I don't believe in you, but I
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[rebecca_george]: believe in God in you and I love that so much and I think it's It's such a
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[rebecca_george]: paradigm shift, though, in, in contrast to what we find in the world, so
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Yeah,
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[rebecca_george]: it's just such such an important shift. So one of the
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Oh, I jokingly say, I jokingly say Rebecca that I really want to get. I
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: don't know. Are you a chosen fan? Have you watched The Chosen
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[rebecca_george]: I've watched. I'm not like, needed deep into it yet. I've
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Okay,
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[rebecca_george]: watched a couple of episodes. Yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: so I've watched some episodes. I really like it and I've decided that with
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: my my fear of inadequacy, what I'm going to do is I'm going to somehow get
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: like a life size cardboard cut out
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[rebecca_george]: yes,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: of Jesus from the Chosen and I'm just going to like hobble around with
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: that and any time somebody says or the enemy hisses in my ear like who do
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: you think you are And why would you do that And you don't belong, you
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: don't have a seat at this table. These people
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: are like way way way and you are not not, not. You know, I'm just going to
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: have life size Jesus next to me, my little cardboard cut out. and when
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: people say you know who do you think you are, I'm just going to be like.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Hey, I'm with this guy. I'm with this guy
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[rebecca_george]: yup.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and that's it. That's it.
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[rebecca_george]: that's right. that's right. I love that. Actually, I can't tell you that
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[rebecca_george]: those things do exist because I went to a conference a couple of months ago
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[rebecca_george]: and they had a bunch of the set pieces from the chosen there. There was. It
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[rebecca_george]: was like a broadcasting, um, like podcasting conference. So they had this
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[rebecca_george]: whole booth for the chosen. It was the most glorious thing I've ever seen.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Oh, okay,
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[rebecca_george]: And um, they had a life size cut out of Jesus, and everybody in their mother
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[rebecca_george]: was taking pictures with it and I was like, Yeah, that's what. as we all
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[rebecca_george]: need in our living room. it was great. I loved it.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Jesus is right here with me. Done.
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[rebecca_george]: Yes, Yes, I love that so much. Well, there was a ▁quote that I really loved
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[rebecca_george]: and I'd love to kind of impact this a little bit in the same vein as what
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[rebecca_george]: we're talking about says It was time to put an end to this live of the
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[rebecca_george]: enemy. God is enough to fill in our gaps. We don't have to look in the
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[rebecca_george]: mirror and feel that we have everything it takes. I want you to talk about
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[rebecca_george]: this idea of how God feels in our gaps.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: so
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I like to give this little illustration because I think it just proves it
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: so uh, so poignantly. But you know, I, if we in a room with with a bunch
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: of people an hour were to pull out a brand new crisp hundred dollar bill,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: An I were to say,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: who wants this hundred dollar bill? You know what it? What is this? It iss
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: a hundred dollar. Do. How much is it worth? A hundred dollars? Who wants
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[rebecca_george]: yeah.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: it? Everybody's going to be like. Yeah, I want a hundred dollar bill,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: right, uh, we all understand how much it's worth what we could do with it.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: We probably instantly would start thinking what we'd go by with Buy with
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: it if we have a hundred dollar bill, And then I take the hundred dollar
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: bill and I rip it
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: in half and then into fourths,
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[rebecca_george]: mm.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and I say
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: who still wants the hundred dollar bill and people are kinda like. Well U,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: is it still a hundred dollar bill? I don't know.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: You take out a roll of tape
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and you put a ta. You know, a piece of tape from top to bottom and a piece
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: of tape from left to right essentially forms across right, but it puts the
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: tapes the four pieces back together. It's now a whole
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: hundred dollar bill
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: right
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: now. Who wants the hundred dollar bill? Everyone's like, Oh, it's a
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: hundred dollar billigion. Yeah, I definitely want it' still a hundred
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: dollars. It's not as pretty. It's got some
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: smears, it's got some, you know, ripped little edges. It's kind of messy,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: but it's still a hundred dollar bill. The value has not changed,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and that hundred dollar bill essentially represents our lives. right.
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[rebecca_george]: hm, hm,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: we come out, we're newborn, we're adorable. everybody loves us. We can't
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: do anything wrong. We're just perfect. Uh, but life happens
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and you know, some of us have been ripped apart by life circumstances.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: some of us have been torn apart. Some of us have felt shattered,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: And so now we need somebody to put us back together, And that tape
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: is Jesus.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: He's put us back together. That's essentially the gospel, right. And when
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: we look at that hundred dollar bill now, which is essentially a piece of
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: paper with two strips of tape from top to bottom and and left to right,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: what is the strongest part of that hundred dollar bill? What is the place
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: where it's least likely to tear apart or be ripped apart
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: where the tape is.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: And that's also our lives right, the strength of our lives, the resilience
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: of our lives. the purpose, um,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: the, the un terrable, unshakeable part of our lives again is Jesus.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and that is exactly.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: But that's the truth that we hold ono. It's what Paul says where he says.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: You know. I'm in a boast all the more about my weaknesses because
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[rebecca_george]: that's right.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: that's where the power of Christ rests on me, And that's exactly what we
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: see in that hundred dollar bill, But if
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[rebecca_george]: yeah.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: there were no tears, there would be no tape.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Um,
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[rebecca_george]: mm.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and so when we get this idea that we have to be this perfect, uncrumpled
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: unsmeared, unt, toorn, hundred dollar bill to be successful or to be
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: accepted in life, Well then you're going to forfeit the power of Jesus in
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: your life, because
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Jesus comes in to fill in our gaps.
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[rebecca_george]: mm.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: And so when we make peace with those limitations and say yeah, I, I have
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: mistakes. I have regrets. I have terrible things that have happened to me.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I've had horrible seasons, I've had to walk through. I've done
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: some really dumb things in my life,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: but
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Jesus has put me back together
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and that's what now makes me strong.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah. so good. Well before we go do our bonus interview that I'm
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[rebecca_george]: really excited about these sort of like lightning rounds are really fun with
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[rebecca_george]: people that we do. now. I want to ask you, Erica, is you're about to walk
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[rebecca_george]: into Booklanch season, and by the time people listen this, it's going to be
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[rebecca_george]: out into the world. I want to hear what is your prayer for your reader as
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[rebecca_george]: they walk away from this message.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Yeah, so my biggest prayer for the reader is that they would know Um
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: how deeply they are loved by God and that all of the things that they may
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: look in the mirror or look inside themselves and see as bad,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: they would realize that God sees
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: them as good. Not that not that terrible things that have happened to them
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: are good, but that he has a plan for good,
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Um, and that
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: they don't have to keep striving, and they don't have to live in fear of
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: other people's opinions or other people's rejection. Um. they can live in
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: an intimate relationship with God because while self reliance is what
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: leads to self doubt, the antiddote for that fear of inadequacy is
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: intimacy, intimacy with the Father. And so that's really My prayer is that
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: they will know the character of God in a clearer and deeper way. They will
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: know that they are loved and that they will be able to release some of
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: these things. Some of these fears that keep them stuck in that cycle of
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: striving.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, man, let it be so I can't wait while I am so excited about this book.
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[rebecca_george]: I'm going to say the title of it one more time. It'ed letting God be enough
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[rebecca_george]: while striving keeps you stuck, And how surrender sets you free. What a
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[rebecca_george]: subtitle. Also, I love that subtitle so much. it's so beautiful. I have
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[rebecca_george]: loved having you. I'm so excited to cheer you on for this book, Launnch, and
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[rebecca_george]: just excited to be your friend and excited for everybody to hear our
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[rebecca_george]: conversation. So for this part of the conversation, Eric, I just want to say
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[rebecca_george]: a huge thank you for being with me
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Thank you for having me was really fun.
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[rebecca_george]: so fun.
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[rebecca_george]: Okay, I'll do a quick pause and then we can. we could knock out these last
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[rebecca_george]: few.
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[rebecca_george]: Erica. it's been so fun to be with you to day. Thank you for joining me
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Thank you for having me.
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[rebecca_george]: so fun. Okay, we just had the best conversation about your new book. It's
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[rebecca_george]: called Letting God be enough While striving keeps you stuck. And how
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[rebecca_george]: surrender sets you free. And I'm so excited for everybody to go listen to
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[rebecca_george]: that over on the normal podcast platforms. but I'm excited to get to know
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[rebecca_george]: you a little better in a lightning round. So are you ready
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I think so.
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[rebecca_george]: Okay? let's do it. Okay. The first question is what do you think is one of
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[rebecca_george]: the best pieces of advice that you've ever been given?
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Yes, the best piece of advice that I ever been given. one of them would be
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: my grandmother, who used to say,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: child, There's positive in everything. You just have to decide how hard
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: you're willing to look for it.
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[rebecca_george]: Oh yeah, that's good. That's a good one. I like that. Okay, what is a book
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[rebecca_george]: that you have read lately that you want people to know about
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: O. That's a tough one.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Well, I'm a huge
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Francine Rivers fan,
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[rebecca_george]: Mm.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: but I'm new to Francing Rivers. I don't know how I made it to this age and
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: never never discovered Francine Rivers, but I've just recently discovered
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Franc Rivers, and her Mark of the Lion series is awesome.
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[rebecca_george]: That's awesome. I have not read that yet. I remember. I mean redeeming love.
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[rebecca_george]: I forget what year it came out, but I mean, I know it's like her claimed to
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[rebecca_george]: fame, but I, I haven't read the other series though, so I need to. It's
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[rebecca_george]: always hard for me to. I'll usually read fiction like On vacation. I
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Yes,
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[rebecca_george]: don't know if you're that way,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I am, too,
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[rebecca_george]: but that's kind of how I am. Yeah, and so I, I keep saying, The next
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[rebecca_george]: vacation I go on, I need to pick up some Francine river so that would be
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[rebecca_george]: good. Okay.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Mark the Lion, I'm telling you,
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, okay, I'm going to do it all right. So personality question? If you
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[rebecca_george]: had to go to karaoke song, what would it be?
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Oh,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: we actually did carpool karaoke for my book launch.
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[rebecca_george]: Oh, that's so fun.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: So, because my book is letting God be enough, I just came across the
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Lacree song God is enough.
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[rebecca_george]: Yes,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Yes, So that's my. So my go to song right now.
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[rebecca_george]: I love that. I love that so much. that's so fun.
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[rebecca_george]: Okay. What is something else? This could be anything at all that you're just
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[rebecca_george]: really loving in this season that you want to tell people about
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Uh, one of the things that I am really loving in this season.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I'm so tired, Rebecca,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: loving my bed. I don't know.
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[rebecca_george]: beds are great.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Oh, my.
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[rebecca_george]: No,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Oh, no.
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[rebecca_george]: that's a great answer.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Okay.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: What are the things of loving so much in the season right now is my pillow
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and my bedcause. I'm really
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: tired.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, I, that's a. That's a very real answer for an author going through a
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[rebecca_george]: book lunch. So what you see is what you get. I love that it's so good. Okay,
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[rebecca_george]: who has been one of the most influential people in your life? And why?
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I would say one of the most influential people in my life was my dad
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[rebecca_george]: M?
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: because he had a very uncanny way of teaching me
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Biblical principles without ever ▁quoting the Bible, and
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: he knew in my stubborn rebellious teenage years if I knew it was the
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Bible, he was ▁quoting. I probably would have heard.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: so he always changed it into a story or
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: a catchy saying or something to get my attention and get me to think, And
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: he was teaching me to live like Jesus, without ever mentioning Jesus'
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: name.
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[rebecca_george]: um, that's awesome. I love that. Okay at the podcast here,
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[rebecca_george]: it's been so cool to see how God has kind of led the direction moving for
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[rebecca_george]: the show and he kept Bring me back a few months, Ag to this person. Thirty
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[rebecca_george]: four V, And it says those who look to him are radiant and their faces are
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[rebecca_george]: never covered in shame. So we talk a lot about. You know what does it? How
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[rebecca_george]: do we radiate the heart of Jesus and everything that we do, And so a
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[rebecca_george]: question that I loving asking people right now Is what about Jesus makes you
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[rebecca_george]: radiant?
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: The thing about Jesus that makes me radiant is how much he championed
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: women in a culture that did not,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and so uh, my all time
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: favorite Bible story about Jesus is in Luke Seven, starting in Verse
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: thirty five, with the woman who anoints Jesus' feet,
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Uh, with her tears,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and and her little flask, which is not the same woman in John, that has
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: the big giant alabaster jar. Those are two different stories,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: but I love that and when he turns to Simon and he says,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: Do you see this woman
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and I love it because
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: it makes me know that Jesus sees me
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and he sees my heart, and he sees my doubts and he sees my fears, and he
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: sees all of the worries that I carry around, And
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: he reminds me that he's enough and he's
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: got it
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[rebecca_george]: yeah.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and I don't have to hide. I don't have to hide from Jesus and I don't have
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: and I don't have to hide. I don't have to hide from Jesus and I don't have
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: to hide from anybody else.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: to hide from anybody else.
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[rebecca_george]: Mm. that's so good. I love that so much. Well, I have loved this
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[rebecca_george]: conversation so much. I am going to say that the name of your book one more
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[rebecca_george]: time. it's called Letting God be enough While striving keeps you stuck, And
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[rebecca_george]: how surrender sets you free. I am so excited about this message and so
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[rebecca_george]: excited to make a new friend. I have just loved having you.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: I have loved being here and I am very excited for your podcast and all the
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: things God has in store for you, and I will definitely be praying for you
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: as you
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[rebecca_george]: Thank you.
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[erica_wiggenhorn]: are writing your book.
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[rebecca_george]: Thanks for That means so much,
