Episode 192. Look To Love with JL Gerdhardt
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[rebecca_george]: I'm so excited to have you today. Thank you for joining me.
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[jl_gerhardt]: Oh, I am delighted to be here.
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[rebecca_george]: This be so fun. I
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[rebecca_george]: have been looking forward to this conversation for some time, and when I was
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[rebecca_george]: preparing the other day I was noticing this is your seventh book right that
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[rebecca_george]: we get to
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[jl_gerhardt]: it
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[rebecca_george]: chat about today. Is that right?
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[jl_gerhardt]: is. it is. Mhm.
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[rebecca_george]: Wow? okay, so I'm wting my first one right now.
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[jl_gerhardt]: Oh, exciting.
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[rebecca_george]: The whole thing that we don't have time to go into, But yes, it is very
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[rebecca_george]: exciting. I turn it in in March, and I'm kind of in that like Third Lap of
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[rebecca_george]: the Mile right now where I've written it, but now it's making taking the
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[rebecca_george]: words from good to great right.
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[jl_gerhardt]: Yes,
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[rebecca_george]: So
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[jl_gerhardt]: Yes,
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[rebecca_george]: so you get that so I'm curious before we jumped the book.
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[rebecca_george]: What do you know the seventh time around about book writing that you totally
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[rebecca_george]: did not know as the first time author that you would want to share?
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[jl_gerhardt]: well, I think more and more I'm learning that
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[jl_gerhardt]: that the books are about the readers. They're not about
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: me there about
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: them, and that I write them to serve them. Um, you know, I think that first
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[jl_gerhardt]: book you get so excited. like I always wanted to write a book. And as there's
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: just a lot of a lot of me in that first process, and um, you know, it was about
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[jl_gerhardt]: what I wanted to say, and and in now, I mean, with every book it's gotten less
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[jl_gerhardt]: and less about what I want to say, and more and more about what my readers
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[jl_gerhardt]: need. And and it's more for me about pastoring them and taking care of them and
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[jl_gerhardt]: thinking about their daily lives and thinking, what am I going to say today
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[jl_gerhardt]: that they're going to read on a Tuesday morning? And it's going
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,
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[jl_gerhardt]: to do something to really shape the way they see God and the way they interact
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[jl_gerhardt]: with him and the way they love him. And so that's definitely been more and more
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[jl_gerhardt]: and more what it is for me when you write that first book your writers like
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[jl_gerhardt]: aren't there with you as much. But by the time you're at this seven, they're
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[jl_gerhardt]: talking back to you and you're getting emails from them. You guys are a
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[jl_gerhardt]: community. and and so I I love that part. I think that's been a
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, uhhuh,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: surprise is just how how incommunication we all are And so I
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[rebecca_george]: Mm,
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[jl_gerhardt]: just feel like I'm sitting down with them when I write and that's
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: a joy.
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[rebecca_george]: I love that. Oh, I love that. That's so fun and there's elements of that
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[rebecca_george]: that I understand as a podcaster Like The
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[jl_gerhardt]: Yeah,
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[rebecca_george]: longer the longer you podcast you, you see books and you see people out in
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[rebecca_george]: the world, And you think okay, that conversation would really land well with
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[rebecca_george]: my people, Or you know that book would really mean a lot to my people. And
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[rebecca_george]: so it's interesting how I, I feel like I'm I'm starting to stand a little
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[rebecca_george]: more firmly on that ground in terms of podcasting, and I look forward to
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[rebecca_george]: that day when I can say the same about writing
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[jl_gerhardt]: yes, yes, yes, I'm exciting for you.
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[rebecca_george]: so so fun. Well, I am. well, thanks, friend. I, I am too. It's it. it is
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[rebecca_george]: true. It's kind of like that first book. As much as
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[rebecca_george]: you know, you can check all the boxes and we, we want to to write what's
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[rebecca_george]: best for the reader and all those things. It is kind of the dream realized
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[rebecca_george]: right like I've
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[jl_gerhardt]: it is.
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[rebecca_george]: I have dribbed about this my whole life. and so it is fun to to get to
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[rebecca_george]: finally see you got to open that door, so I'm grateful.
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[jl_gerhardt]: Yeah, you've been carrying it inside you. You know, like a baby. God's been
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[rebecca_george]: yeah.
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[jl_gerhardt]: growing it in you for a long long time,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: and to finally get to share it with everybody is just
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[jl_gerhardt]: wonderful.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[rebecca_george]: I know I'm so excited. so look to love is your newest release that we get to
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[rebecca_george]: chat about today and I'm curious.
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[rebecca_george]: so it talks about how to read the Bible to fall in love with God. Along the
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[rebecca_george]: way. I love that and I would, and I want to hear more about where did that
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[rebecca_george]: come from for you? And why did you feel so passionate about it?
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[jl_gerhardt]: Well, it's kind of a merger of two things. Um, one is Bible reading is kind of
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[jl_gerhardt]: my jam. That's my spiritual gift. It's the place where I feel closest to God.
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[jl_gerhardt]: Um, it's the place where I feel the most gifting from him the most confidence.
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[jl_gerhardt]: I love a book. I was an English professor
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: for for a long time I love to read, and I just encounter God most powerfully
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[jl_gerhardt]: when I'm there in a book, but I know that's not the way it is for everybody.
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[jl_gerhardt]: Um, and so for a long time, I felt a responsibility to use that to bless other
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[jl_gerhardt]: people and to help other people learn to read. Like you know, I love to teach
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[jl_gerhardt]: in college kids how to read Tostoy, and in the same way I love teaching men and
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[jl_gerhardt]: women how to read the Bible, Um. But
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[jl_gerhardt]: this really came out of. So I, I had that
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[jl_gerhardt]: element. Um, I had that thing that I cared so much about, But really this book
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[jl_gerhardt]: grew out of me noticing. So I've been a preacher's wife for twenty years. Uh, I
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[jl_gerhardt]: have been in ministry.
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[rebecca_george]: ooh. I've I've been a bridges wife for two,
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[rebecca_george]: so that's a whole Ne conversation. Yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: Have you Okay?
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[jl_gerhardt]: Yeah, I was for a long long time, and then too, I was on stabb at a church. Uh,
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[jl_gerhardt]: for the last six years. And and plus, I go aroundund and speak and talk to
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[jl_gerhardt]: women, and I feel like I've got my finger on the pulse of the church in a
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[jl_gerhardt]: really up close and unique way And it's been such a privilege sometimes 'cause
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[jl_gerhardt]: I get to see the best things that are going on in in God's family. And then
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[jl_gerhardt]: sometimes it's
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[jl_gerhardt]: It's a burden because you see some of the hardest things
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: that are going on in God's family. But what I was starting to notice was that I
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[jl_gerhardt]: saw lots of people who wanted to be good, and lots of people trying to do the
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[jl_gerhardt]: Christian, whatever that meant. But I was running into fewer and fewer people
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[jl_gerhardt]: who seemed to really love God.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: I thought you know, I think these people want to love God. Um, if they read the
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[jl_gerhardt]: command, you know, love a Lordr, God. All your hearts so
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[rebecca_george]: mhm,
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[jl_gerhardt]: mind and strength. I, they all feel this compunction. They feel like that's a
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[jl_gerhardt]: challenge. They'd love to love God that way, but fewer and fewer people did,
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[jl_gerhardt]: and I was thinking What would it look like to help people fall in love with
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,
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[jl_gerhardt]: because I am just convinced of saying the book like, I think, The reason God
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[jl_gerhardt]: Christian life for us that
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeahm, hm,
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[jl_gerhardt]: when we can love God with our whole self, it makes everything else easier. It
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[jl_gerhardt]: makes everything else a joy and a privilege instead of an obligation. And so
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[jl_gerhardt]: this is so important because it's the thing that's going to make the Christian
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[jl_gerhardt]: life abundant life. And it's why some people are tired and worn out, because
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[jl_gerhardt]: they're trying to do the Christian life before they have this love for God,
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[jl_gerhardt]: this love for Christ, and that that she backward. It's never been the way it's
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[jl_gerhardt]: supposed to be. And so I wanted to help people fall in love with God, and I
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[jl_gerhardt]: stumbled across this uh article in the New York Times Modern Love column, and
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[jl_gerhardt]: it was called How to fall in love. How to fall in love with any one, I think,
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[jl_gerhardt]: and it was about a scientific study that had been done on how to make people
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[jl_gerhardt]: fall in love, And this psychiatrist had felt like he had come upon a sure
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[jl_gerhardt]: with one another, And it was what he did as he would bring each one these
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[jl_gerhardt]: have them ask each other questions, increasingly intimate questions, which is
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[jl_gerhardt]: thirty six questions, usually took about forty five minutes to an hour, and at
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[jl_gerhardt]: the end of that time he would have them This is just the the tricky and
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[jl_gerhardt]: hilarious part. He would have them stare at one another for four minutes,
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[jl_gerhardt]: couldn't look away. You had to look in the other person's eyes. Well, this
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[jl_gerhardt]: study within, Uh, within eight months they had their first wedding. It was
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[jl_gerhardt]: actually very effective at causing people to
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: fall in love. And the article I'd read in in the newer times, it was by a lady
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[jl_gerhardt]: who had tried it, and with this guy she just met out at a bar and they were now
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[jl_gerhardt]: married. And Um, she was saying. What is it that works? What's the point here?
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[jl_gerhardt]: What? what's effective? And it was that in these questions and in this
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[jl_gerhardt]: listen to who they were to receive that, and then to let someone one else see
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[jl_gerhardt]: you right to be open, and to
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: let some one see you, and in seeing someone one, nor really truly seeing them,
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[jl_gerhardt]: it's so much easier to just fall in love. And I thought, What would this look
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[jl_gerhardt]: like with God and immediately I was like Man, The thirty six questions, That's
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[jl_gerhardt]: the Bible forgd. It's God being completely open and vulnerable about himself.
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[jl_gerhardt]: It's him saying Hey, here are the people I've loved before. Here are the people
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[jl_gerhardt]: who broke my heart. Here are the things that um matter to me. Here are the
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[jl_gerhardt]: things that make me angry. Here are the times I've cried. Um, And so when you
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[jl_gerhardt]: read
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[jl_gerhardt]: Scripture that way, and you start saying I, I just want to see God here. What's
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[jl_gerhardt]: he up to? Who is he? What's going on in his heart and his mind in each of these
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[jl_gerhardt]: moments, I think it dramatically changes the way we read Scripture, and it
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[jl_gerhardt]: enables us. I think to fall in love with God as as being as person, am as
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[jl_gerhardt]: father as king Am. it helps us to see him and not just to see a book of rules,
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[jl_gerhardt]: a book of expectations, a story that's unrelated to us, Um, I don't think
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[jl_gerhardt]: that's ever what it was supposed to be. I think it was just God
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: revealing his heart.
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[rebecca_george]: that's so good, and a couple of things come to mind when you are talking
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[rebecca_george]: about. You know our command of loving and loving one another.
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[rebecca_george]: I think so many times we settle
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[rebecca_george]: for it just looking like we love God,
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[jl_gerhardt]: Mhm,
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[rebecca_george]: right because we live our lives on line and we live our highlight realels
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[jl_gerhardt]: Mhm,
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[rebecca_george]: I think so many times we forget that God knows our hearts, and although
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[rebecca_george]: other people might see evidence that, Oh yeah, they, they, you know or
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[rebecca_george]: believer, Oh yeah, they, they love God just because their life appears to
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[rebecca_george]: look that way, Um, we, We're settling so often right
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[jl_gerhardt]: yes,
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[rebecca_george]: because Um, and I and I know even
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[rebecca_george]: for me and I'm sure it was the same case for. You, especially as a as a
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[rebecca_george]: minministrat leader, pastor's wife, all all the hats that you know we
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[jl_gerhardt]: Mhm,
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[rebecca_george]: be so easy
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[rebecca_george]: to prepare for a small group or read a book in preparation for a podcast
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[rebecca_george]: interview, and
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[rebecca_george]: and totally miss actually being with God
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[rebecca_george]: happens in us when we are with him and I just I love that so much.
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[jl_gerhardt]: absolutely, absolutely. and man, the more you're with them, the more you
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: hard to understand, I think before you've
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[rebecca_george]: yep,
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[jl_gerhardt]: done it, but the more time you spend with them, you realize that I mean, that's
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[jl_gerhardt]: that's the best thing.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, so good, And I heard somebody
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[rebecca_george]: like What is what is beauty to you and to to your point of
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[rebecca_george]: when I see women
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[jl_gerhardt]: Yeah,
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[rebecca_george]: stepping into what God's called them to do, using their gifts and talents
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[rebecca_george]: for the glory of God. Like when I see a woman
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[rebecca_george]: as an act of worship doing that. That's beautiful to me, you know,
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[jl_gerhardt]: yes,
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[rebecca_george]: and I, just when I heard her said I was like man. That is the most.
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[rebecca_george]: the best. I don't know. Definition of that I've ever heard. I love it
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[jl_gerhardt]: yes, yes,
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[rebecca_george]: so so good. Okay. I want you to share with everybody. How can they go grab
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[rebecca_george]: the book? Where can they find you? All the things
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[jl_gerhardt]: the books on Amazon. It's looked to love ▁jl Ghardt, And you can find me Ajo,
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[jl_gerhardt]: Gerht, dot com, or following me an Instigram, and follow me an instram, and get
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[jl_gerhardt]: to see pictures of cool places all over the world.
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[rebecca_george]: I know so fun. Okay, well, this is great. I can't wait for my people to meet
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[rebecca_george]: you. I can't wait for them to grab Look to love, and I amm, just so grateful
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[rebecca_george]: that you'd be with me today. Thank so much, friend.
