Episode 155. From Paycheck to Purpose with Ken Coleman

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Unedited Transcript

[rebecca_george]: I'm so excited to welcome you to the show. Thank you for being here

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[ken_coleman]: thrilled to be with you. thanks for having me.

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[rebecca_george]: Awese. Well, I am so excited to get to know you and your new book. It's

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[rebecca_george]: called from paycheck to purpose, the clear path to doing work that you love,

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[rebecca_george]: so

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[rebecca_george]: my people will know why I love this, this title and this message so much,

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[rebecca_george]: and I'm excited to hear from you a little bit of maybe the story behind this

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[rebecca_george]: message and why this topic felt really important to you.

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[ken_coleman]: Yeah, well, the story is, Uh. the very short version is that I was a guy who

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[ken_coleman]: from the age of sixteen was really really clear on what I believed that I was

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[ken_coleman]: called to do and I went after it And then I got to my early thirties and

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[ken_coleman]: realized that that was no longer the case and it was disheartening. It was Um,

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[ken_coleman]: disillusioned.

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[ken_coleman]: I mean it was.

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[ken_coleman]: It was discouragement. It was,

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[ken_coleman]: you know. it was a tough time. It was a real crisis for me because I had always

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[ken_coleman]: been very, very ambitious and very very uh. focused

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[ken_coleman]: on a certain path which was politics,

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[rebecca_george]: okay,

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[ken_coleman]: And so I went through a journey of self discovery.

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[ken_coleman]: Um, and realized that it was broadcasting. but that was equally daunting and

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: terrifying because I had no experience in it. I didn't have any training in it,

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[ken_coleman]: and oh, I'm in my mid, you know, not mid thirties yet. I was in my early

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[rebecca_george]: mhm,

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[ken_coleman]: thirties and so Um,

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[ken_coleman]: walking that journey out

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: and watching what has happened over the last,

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[ken_coleman]: you know. Uh,

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[ken_coleman]: well, let's see it took me seven and a half years to get the Ramsey solutions

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[ken_coleman]: in another three, essentially or seven years, and in three years so ten years

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[ken_coleman]: to step into the dream job and watching what's happened and being able to

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[ken_coleman]: translate that to people Uh on air in books. Um, and so, because I coach men

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[ken_coleman]: and women every day, as you know, on the Kcoleman Show on on how to discover

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[ken_coleman]: and do what they were created to do,

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[ken_coleman]: This book was necessary because I was at the time I wrote it. Probably in the

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[ken_coleman]: thirty to four thousand calls I've taken and people need a clear path for

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[ken_coleman]: transformation, whether it's weight loss,

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: parenting, marriage,

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[ken_coleman]: um, other relationships, money transformation, people need a clear path. And so

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[ken_coleman]: this book, as you know, from paycheck to purpose, unveils and describes and

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[ken_coleman]: then equips people to move through the seven stages. Get clear, get qualified,

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[ken_coleman]: get connected, get started, get promoted, Get the dream job, Give yourself

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[ken_coleman]: away, and it's as you know, we kind of like it to climb in a mountain to that

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[ken_coleman]: professional pinnacle. So the book, the book had to be written because I, I did

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[ken_coleman]: it, and if I can do it, anybody can

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: do it And I wanted to simplify and demytify the path to purpose.

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[rebecca_george]: that's so good, And you know what's interesting to me being on the other

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[rebecca_george]: side of being in your twenties. I'm still I'm twenty nine now, but when

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[rebecca_george]: we're eighteen years old, we go off to college and we have this maybe idea

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[rebecca_george]: of what the world is like what we think we want to do with our lives. How we

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[rebecca_george]: want to spend our time, And I know for me, and maybe this will set somebody

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[rebecca_george]: for today. This listing, all I had figured out at eighteen years old was I

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[rebecca_george]: love to work out, and I want to impact people's lives. So at eighteen years

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[rebecca_george]: old, I thought that meant being a personal trainer, and so I went and did

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[rebecca_george]: that for while, but I found like the lifestyle of that getting up at five a

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[rebecca_george]: M. train to people before they go into work. Like there were just some

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[rebecca_george]: nuances to that. And like where do you get health care? There was just some

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[rebecca_george]: realities to adult life that I hadn't discovered yet until I did, And life

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[rebecca_george]: sort of s set me on another path. And Um, I got an exercise science degree,

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[rebecca_george]: Kin that I've not used a day in my life. I'm thankful that I have it.

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[ken_coleman]: Wow,

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[rebecca_george]: But

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[ken_coleman]: yeah,

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[rebecca_george]: God has God

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[ken_coleman]: right, right, right,

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[rebecca_george]: has led me to some other work that is deeply meaningful and I do get to

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[rebecca_george]: impact people's lives in a completely different way than I thought I was

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[rebecca_george]: going to at eighteen years old, and I think

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[rebecca_george]: that's so fine and that's so good, you know, and it sounds like your story

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[rebecca_george]: is similar in that. Um, God's using your voice, maybe in a different way

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[rebecca_george]: than you thought. but I know, and I can see that you're fulfilled by your

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[rebecca_george]: work. and so I think the journey is so much less linear than maybe we would

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[rebecca_george]: imagine it would be. And so I, I do love. though that the sort of methodogy

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[rebecca_george]: of the book sort of takes us through this process. That does make it a

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[rebecca_george]: little more clear, So I love that, and I'm curious. You know. What are you

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[rebecca_george]: seeing happening as you know, the pandemic really has given us all kind of a

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[rebecca_george]: new perspective on a lot of things in life, including our work and

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[ken_coleman]: mhm, Mhm, Mhm,

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[rebecca_george]: so, and especially what we want our careers to look like. So what are you

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[rebecca_george]: seeing as we're coming out of the pandemic and conversations that you're

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[rebecca_george]: having,

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[ken_coleman]: Well, I think we're seeing instead of the great resignation that you're seeing

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[ken_coleman]: in the news and economists have kind of coined that term. I think you're seeing

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[ken_coleman]: the great

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[rebecca_george]: Hm,

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[ken_coleman]: revelation. I think that you're seeing people. Um, they are seeing things they

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[ken_coleman]: didn't see before

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[ken_coleman]: and they're making moves to do it. I, I really do. I think that there's a

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[ken_coleman]: restlessness that Um. that has taken place, and that's because of the great

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[ken_coleman]: revelation. So I think we would go back and we look at the pandemic and what it

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[ken_coleman]: did. I think there are two converging storms that came out of the

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[ken_coleman]: pandemic. The first storm was an accelerated, complete,

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[ken_coleman]: total

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[ken_coleman]: massive change forced on us and we didn't have any choice but to accept

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[ken_coleman]: it Now. this is significant when you think about what I think is the greatest

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[ken_coleman]: fear that humans face. That's the fear of the

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: unknown, and so change, change represents the unknown, And that's why people

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[ken_coleman]: hate change so much. The resistance to change. It'd rather be miserable than

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[ken_coleman]: uncomfortable. Okay, And so that's that fear of the unknown. So

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[ken_coleman]: we were forced to go home. so our work life

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: changed. Our kids came home from school. That changed. many people lost their

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[ken_coleman]: jobs. Some people were furloaded. There was a massive amount of disruption to

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[ken_coleman]: our everyday lives, and yet we, as humans, we are the most adaptable race on

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[ken_coleman]: the planet. And so we adapted. so we got weirdly.

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[ken_coleman]: I think somewhat comfortable with that kind of massive change. And then we

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[ken_coleman]: said. Well, What else do I want to change?

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: Since I've already been forced. Uh to change. What else would I want to change?

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[ken_coleman]: That was one storm and the other storm Obviously was the health scare.

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[ken_coleman]: certainly, um,

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[ken_coleman]: loss of life.

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[rebecca_george]: mhm,

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[ken_coleman]: And so, depending on who you are, you lost. maybe some friends or loved ones,

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[ken_coleman]: or uh, or they were very, very sick.

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[ken_coleman]: And uh, so there was the unknown. It was very scary

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[ken_coleman]: time.

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[ken_coleman]: Okay and so any time that happens, we face our mortality, And so we realized

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[ken_coleman]: how precious life is

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[ken_coleman]: and we don't know how much time we have. So I think those were the two storms

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[ken_coleman]: that came out of the pandemic, and they kind of converged. And and so I think

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[ken_coleman]: it created this revelation of I'm not where I want to be. I'm not doing what I

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[ken_coleman]: want to do. There's more to life than a

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[ken_coleman]: paycheck. So I think that's a big part of it is the purpose. ▁quest. But I also

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[rebecca_george]: yeah.

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[ken_coleman]: think of paycheck is part of it, too.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah. yeah.

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[ken_coleman]: Uh, and I think a lot of people who saw four point three million people leave

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[ken_coleman]: their jobs in August. I, I'm not go to be. You know, so Roman is to try to

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[ken_coleman]: assume that all of them left for their dream job or purpose. That's just not

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[ken_coleman]: the case. but a lot of them are leaving for a greater paycheck. But that'll

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[ken_coleman]: wear off

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[rebecca_george]: sure.

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[ken_coleman]: too. And uh, So that's what's going on? It really is,

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[ken_coleman]: Um people. It's it's been revealed to them that there's more that they can get

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[ken_coleman]: more, And so people are moving. They're making change happen.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah. yeah. yeah. You know one of the things, and you mention this at the

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[rebecca_george]: top of the show that you talk about in the book is getting really clear on

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[rebecca_george]: what you're passionate about, And how does that play into your role, maybe

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[rebecca_george]: in your job or the work that you do? What does that look like practically

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[rebecca_george]: for people who are listening and they say, Okayca. that sounds good, but

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[rebecca_george]: what does that look like on a Tuesday when I'm unhappy in my job?

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[ken_coleman]: Oh, I'm so glad you asked. It simply looks like this on that Tuesday. You can

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[ken_coleman]: get out of piece of paper and you can create Uh, three columns on your page on

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[ken_coleman]: the far left, right, talent in parentheses under that right what I do best

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[ken_coleman]: and you're going to put down only the things that you would grade yourself in

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[ken_coleman]: eight, nine or a ten on. Okay, with one being suck, Ten being

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: super all right, And so we're going to look at everything from our hard skills,

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[ken_coleman]: technical skills that we have, and our people's skills, otherwise known as soft

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[ken_coleman]: skills. Uh, I don't mind if you put some really great character traits in there

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[ken_coleman]: as well. You could do that, but we're just going to focus on this is what I

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[ken_coleman]: would say. I'm really really good at this.

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[ken_coleman]: That's talent second column. Passion

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[ken_coleman]: work. I love to do. So boom, think of tasks, functions, roles that you look

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[ken_coleman]: forward to when you're in the middle of it. time seems to disappear.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: Uh, and and you're willing to suffer a little bit really to to have the

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[ken_coleman]: opportunity to do this work. This work matters. You love the work,

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[ken_coleman]: Then the third column is mission, and under that you're going to write results

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[ken_coleman]: that matter deeply to me, And here I want you to think about what are the

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[ken_coleman]: results of your work. If if if you love this kind of work, then what are the

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[ken_coleman]: results of this work that even make you even more connected to the works? This

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[ken_coleman]: is values driven people. You want to help couple clues here, problem or desire

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[ken_coleman]: those people have, and then the solution to that problem or desire they

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: have. And so that's an exercise and we walk people through this. In the first

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[rebecca_george]: awesome, okay,

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[ken_coleman]: chapters of the book, We give you a manual version. Now, I would also say for

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[ken_coleman]: those who be out there like Can I like that, But I need help. I created an

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[ken_coleman]: assessment that is more complete than strength finders because it measures all

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[ken_coleman]: three things that I just laid out talent, Passion, Miss is going to give you a

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[ken_coleman]: detailed report on where you are your top

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[ken_coleman]: talents, top passions, primary missional driver, All psychology. There's six

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[ken_coleman]: drivers and so we're going to show you where you score high, and then you'll

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, okay,

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[ken_coleman]: see where you score on all of

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: them so that you can go Okay. I'm an average here. I don't need be focused on

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[ken_coleman]: that and then you're going to get a purpose sentence. A purpose statement.

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[rebecca_george]: that you talk about in the book and we mention this earlier is legacy

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[ken_coleman]: kinds of stuff. And so when you do that day in and day out, day in and day out,

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[ken_coleman]: and you've got that kind of impact on people's lives, then there is a story

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[ken_coleman]: there, there is a history

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[ken_coleman]: bright fancy. Everybody knows about it. Oh, you're an icon. Legacy is not

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[ken_coleman]: reserved for icons and famous people, legacy

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[ken_coleman]: is history

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree, and as I think back on my life, sure,

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[rebecca_george]: there have been very influential people who have influenced me authors.

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[rebecca_george]: speakers. there have also been Sunday school teachers who are faithful.

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[rebecca_george]: There is my first

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[ken_coleman]: Come on,

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[rebecca_george]: grade teacher who taught me how to read and spent more time with me than

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[rebecca_george]: than she should have, and developed a passion in

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[ken_coleman]: Mhm.

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[rebecca_george]: me for reading. And now I'm about to release my first book in about a year,

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[rebecca_george]: you know, like there are people who marked my life that the world will never

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[rebecca_george]: know. and I think we. Yeah. that is legacy,

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[ken_coleman]: So that's legacy. That's legacy. So your first grade teacher, what was her

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[rebecca_george]: Miss Embury

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[ken_coleman]: name?

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[ken_coleman]: Let's love on Miss Embryy for a second. Because Miss Embriy,

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[ken_coleman]: she has a piece of every

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[ken_coleman]: transformation that happens

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[ken_coleman]: from this podcast

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm.

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[ken_coleman]: that you and I are doing together today. Miss Embery's got a piece of this.

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[ken_coleman]: She's got a piece of any transformation happens from any book you you write

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[ken_coleman]: that you sell. That's legacy. That's legacy.

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. so speaking of, as you are walking into

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[rebecca_george]: book Rele season, and you think about this message, I wonder. K. what are

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[rebecca_george]: you

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[ken_coleman]: Mhm,

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[rebecca_george]: hoping for as readers walk away from this book?

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[ken_coleman]: uh, the number one thing I'm hoping for is that it leads to

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[ken_coleman]: revelation for people that that they, they really truly look in inward and they

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: to do.

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[ken_coleman]: Uh, I, I really want that I want the awareness, the reveal the awareness. And

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[ken_coleman]: then I want. Uh, I want confidence for people to just go okay, And and and then

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[ken_coleman]: I want the courage for people to step out and go after it. That's what I want.

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[ken_coleman]: I, I want people just go all right. I get it now. this isn't that mythical of a

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[ken_coleman]: journey. It's not at all. It's go to be difficult at times. Uh. but but I've

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[ken_coleman]: got a path, and more importantly, I know what I know, what my purpose is, and

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[ken_coleman]: I'm going to go do it. That's what I want.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that so good. Okay, well, I want you to tell

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[rebecca_george]: people. where can they grab the book? Where can they go? Take your

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[ken_coleman]: Mhm.

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[rebecca_george]: assessment that you mentioned and tell them all the places.

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[ken_coleman]: Yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: thank you, Ken Coleman dot com super simple. Uh, you can get the book and the

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[ken_coleman]: assessment at a bundle

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[rebecca_george]: Okay,

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[ken_coleman]: for only thirty bucks, which is incredible because the assessment is thirty

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[ken_coleman]: bucks on its own. Uh, so you can get that bundle there. Uh, you can connect

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[ken_coleman]: with me on the show, call

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,

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[ken_coleman]: into the show. If I could ever coach you on on the air. Come on. let's go. It's

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[ken_coleman]: a safe place and change your name location and I'll I will, uh, coach you, um,

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[ken_coleman]: and connect with us on social media there as well. So Kencomleman dot com is

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[ken_coleman]: the place to get it

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[rebecca_george]: awesome. Well K. I'm so grateful for your time today. I'm so excited for

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[rebecca_george]: your book and I just want to say thank you so much for being with me.

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[ken_coleman]: Well, thank you for heaven. You're doing great work and I am excited for you

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[ken_coleman]: and what you're up to.

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[rebecca_george]: Thanks, Ken.

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[rebecca_george]: Awesome.