Episode 173. 12 Books of Christmas Day 10: Encountering God with Kelly Minter
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[rebecca_george]: Kelly, welcome to the show. I'm so thrilled to have you.
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[kelly_minter]: Thank you. I'm excited to be here. This is awesome.
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[rebecca_george]: This is going to be so fun. I love that we get to talk Christmas for a few
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[rebecca_george]: minutes. So your new Bible study Encountering God is going to be one of our
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[rebecca_george]: twelve books of Christmas this year, which I'm so thrilled about. So we get
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[rebecca_george]: to spend the bulk of our conversation and talking about that and talking
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[rebecca_george]: about spiritual disciplines. I can't wait, but before we do, I want to talk
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[rebecca_george]: a little Christmas with you. I figured that would be fun,
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[kelly_minter]: Sure,
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[rebecca_george]: so let's start there. I want to hear what did Christmas look like for you
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[rebecca_george]: when you were growing up?
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[kelly_minter]: yeah, we had really wonderful Christmases I have just so many fond memories
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[kelly_minter]: mostly because it was an opportunity for Um us to get together with my cousins
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[kelly_minter]: and we. We just really had. We kind of had this whole thing where we would
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[kelly_minter]: spend them the morning with with our immediate family, my siblings, my
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[kelly_minter]: parents, and then somewhere in the early afternoon we would all go up to my
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[kelly_minter]: grandparents about an hour away, and then my my cousins and their families.
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[kelly_minter]: We'd all kind of converge and it was just it was just like the whole day like
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[kelly_minter]: there was. It was in stages and
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[rebecca_george]: Mm.
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[kelly_minter]: you always knew that there was another awesome stage coming. And then we would
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[kelly_minter]: have just an amazing dinner. And so I just have some really good memories. Um.
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[kelly_minter]: with my, my, Mostly, my relatives in my dad's side, my mom, my mom's side.
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[kelly_minter]: They, my grandparents would fly up sometimes
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[rebecca_george]: okay,
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[kelly_minter]: a couple of weeks before Christmas and that was awesome,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: So always had a lot of fun with them as well.
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[rebecca_george]: that's awesome. I love that so much. That sounds a lot like Christmas in our
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[rebecca_george]: family, So we lived really close to my dad's side. My mom' said was a couple
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[rebecca_george]: of hours away, so they didn't have to fly, but we would usually do it early
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[rebecca_george]: and then, but there were a couple times in my childhood that we would go up
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[rebecca_george]: there and I remember that felt like extra special because it wasn of the
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[rebecca_george]: norm, so I just I love
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[kelly_minter]: Yes,
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[rebecca_george]: talking about that. Is there something even maybe that you do with your
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[rebecca_george]: family Now that's maybe like a favorite Christmas memory or tradition that
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[rebecca_george]: you do,
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[kelly_minter]: um, yeah, we. um. one of my favorite like fondest memories was being a kid and
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[kelly_minter]: my dad having me and some of the siblings. Um, read the Christmas story as a
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[kelly_minter]: child and I just I. I knew how sacred it was even at that young age,
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,
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[kelly_minter]: so I have those really sweet memories and
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[kelly_minter]: I would say also again, Just the time with family. It has been really special.
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[kelly_minter]: Um. I, I remember one. just like present story. I, I remember years ago, my my
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[kelly_minter]: mom's parents had flown up and it was back in the video game days of Mario
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[kelly_minter]: Brothers And
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, Oh, yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: I had wanted Mario Brothers, too. I remember it wasn't when it was two and you
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[kelly_minter]: couldn't get it like you could not get your hands on that egg. And it was
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[kelly_minter]: before Amazon. You couldn't order it or pre, you know, and you had to be a toy
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[kelly_minter]: store when the truck pulled up, and my pop, my grandfather, my pop and my mom
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[kelly_minter]: were driving home one day, and there was this tiny little
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[kelly_minter]: toy store by my parents called K and B toys. and it was tiny and they. S. My
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[kelly_minter]: pop saw the truck and he's like he said
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[rebecca_george]: they have it.
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[kelly_minter]: to my momm. He's like Get out of the car, Letn me out of the car
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[kelly_minter]: and he went in there and they pulled out three of those things and he grabbed
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[kelly_minter]: it. I mean he just happened to be there, and when he pulled that out on
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[kelly_minter]: Christmas morning, I thought I was goingnna lose my overloving mind and so
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[kelly_minter]: there were those fun like just surprises of Christmas with the with the
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[kelly_minter]: presents that were as still to this day just really special. But I would say
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[kelly_minter]: you know there were those pieces, But then there was the the sacred pieces.
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[kelly_minter]: Uh, that truly obviously we know
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[kelly_minter]: what Christmas is about
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: that were very sacred and then the time with family. I was just really
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[kelly_minter]: amazing. and as about, I would say, the last like fifteen tw fifteen years.
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[kelly_minter]: maybe,
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,
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[kelly_minter]: um, our family' been making homemade pizzes on Christmas Eve,
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[rebecca_george]: Okay, that's so fun.
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[kelly_minter]: So that's been kind of this fun tradition
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: so it's just like random. But we, we've been doing this for a number of years.
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[kelly_minter]: It wasn't a. It wasn't when I was a kid,
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[rebecca_george]: okay,
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[kelly_minter]: but in the last like fifteen to twenty and we have a ball, so we
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: have all and everybody's like. Do you guys have? Do you have the meat? Do you
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[kelly_minter]: have the special cheese? You have the you know, and then we assemble after the
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[kelly_minter]: Christmas Eve service. all the pieces and eat them. It's just a really fun
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[rebecca_george]: oh, that's a great idea.
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[kelly_minter]: thing, so if you're looking for new traditions, I highly recommend that one
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[kelly_minter]: even though it doesn't feel Christmas, E. it's really fun.
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, there's something about eating something that's so altogether
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[rebecca_george]: different than like the traditional Christmas meal on Christmas Eve. I think
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[kelly_minter]: Uhhuh,
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[rebecca_george]: like my hus, my family on my mom's side, and I, um, before we got married
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[rebecca_george]: and I was always there. We would. we would mix it up, but sometimes we would
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[rebecca_george]: do Mexican. Sometimes we would do burgers like just something that didn't
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[rebecca_george]: feel at all like what we were going to eat the next day, because we
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[rebecca_george]: typically ate a pretty traditional meal at my grandparents each Christmas
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[rebecca_george]: day. So that's fun. I love that On the food note Last Christmas question, is
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[rebecca_george]: there something that like has to be on your table on Christmas day? It's
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[rebecca_george]: like a staple in your house.
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[kelly_minter]: you know, we really like the tender lime. So that's
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[rebecca_george]: Okay,
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[kelly_minter]: been something. We've just been kind of doing like just getting a really good,
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[kelly_minter]: um tender loin, and it's kind of like the only time that I'll have that all
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: But you know my dad will go and get a big, you know, uh tender loin and then
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[kelly_minter]: we, you know, roast it or whatever they do with it. I actually have not in
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[kelly_minter]: charge of that part, but it's always delicious.
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[rebecca_george]: Mm, I love that that's so good. Okay. I felt like sweet potato cassole is my
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[rebecca_george]: go to. or at least that's the one that I just
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[kelly_minter]: Oh, well, yeah, uh, well, yes, of course, yeah, uhhuh, yeah,
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[rebecca_george]: I just look forward to the most be cause that is truly something I never eat
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[rebecca_george]: any other time of year because
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[kelly_minter]: yeah, right,
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[rebecca_george]: there just seems like there's no reason to. Yeah, so good. I
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[kelly_minter]: Mhm,
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[rebecca_george]: love that. Well, I am so excited to jump in into your study, encountering
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[rebecca_george]: God, cultivating habits of faith through the spiritual disciplines. I'm so
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[rebecca_george]: excited to talk about that today. This study is different from many of the
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[rebecca_george]: others that you have previously written, and so I want to hear like Why was
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[rebecca_george]: spiritual disciplined something that you wanted to tackle, and especially
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[rebecca_george]: something you wanted to tackle right now.
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[kelly_minter]: yeah, well, I think, um, I love. I love ancient things, I love, tried and true
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[kelly_minter]: things. I love things that have stowed the test of time, and the spiritual
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[kelly_minter]: disciplines definitely fall into that category. I mean, this is something that
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[kelly_minter]: people have been nourished by practicing for. Uh, not just just not just in
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[kelly_minter]: our two thousand years of church history, but even before that,
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: there were a lot of the disciplines, Um that that the Jew, the Jewish
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[kelly_minter]: tradition, Um. that kept. And so I think that we were. We're so pulled in our
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[kelly_minter]: culture right now, and we're pulled by need and demand and ▁urgency. But then
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[kelly_minter]: we're also pulled by social media and our phones are constantly. you know,
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[kelly_minter]: being diinged And and and it really, it's funny right now with the iphone in
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[kelly_minter]: particular or any. I guess just personal device. Any phone. They've really
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[kelly_minter]: made it. So you you? You have to have it on your bean at all times because
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[kelly_minter]: it's not just your phone, it's it's your calendar. Um, it's your weather, it's
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[kelly_minter]: your maps, it's your credit card, it's your password. It's everything and so
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[kelly_minter]: we can't get away and I, I, so I felt like Okay, How do we go back to these
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[kelly_minter]: tried intrude practices of things like Worship, prayer, Bible study, fasting,
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[kelly_minter]: generosity, simplicity, rest, um, all of these different disciplines and how
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[kelly_minter]: can we incorporate them into our lives? not to make us busier, not to not to
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, M.
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[kelly_minter]: add more, Um, to do to our list, but to actually create margin, and to free us
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[kelly_minter]: up. A. And so it, it felt like a time
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[kelly_minter]: in a in a culture where everything is breaking edge.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: Excuse me, um,
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[kelly_minter]: Excuse me, um,
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[kelly_minter]: sor. I' give you guys a chance to cut there,
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[kelly_minter]: but it gives us a time in our culture where with everything is is breaking
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[kelly_minter]: speed, Um break nextck speed. We can. I in, go back to some ancient practice
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[kelly_minter]: and Biblical practices that uh breath life,
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,
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[kelly_minter]: and the practices themselves that breed life. The pra that put us in a
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[kelly_minter]: position to relate with the living God,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: And and he's the one that breathed life.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, that's so good. I don't know why this is coming to mind, but I'm
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[rebecca_george]: curious. Have you ever been to Israel? I'm sure you have.
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[kelly_minter]: I have one time one time,
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[rebecca_george]: okay. Okay, uh, the reason I think I'm thinking about this is because when I
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[rebecca_george]: went to Israel with my husband a couple of years ago, it totally rewrote
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[rebecca_george]: everything that I thought
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[rebecca_george]: maybe I had pictured as I read scripture right, and even like practices as
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[rebecca_george]: we look at. You know, I don't know if you were there over the course of a
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[rebecca_george]: sabbath, But we, we were, and um,
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[kelly_minter]: yes,
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[rebecca_george]: And and how like literal and how serious of a practice It is there. How
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[rebecca_george]: serious rest is on that day, just really challenged me. because like if I,
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[rebecca_george]: if you're anything like me, I mean, I grew up in the church, and like as
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[rebecca_george]: long as you didn't like mo, your mo, your grass on Sunday, like you were
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[rebecca_george]: fine, you know, like that's about as much sabbath as I knew. and and so I,
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[rebecca_george]: even, I don't know. I was challenged in like going back to those like
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[rebecca_george]: Jewish traditions, even, um, that we. S that
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[kelly_minter]: uh,
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[rebecca_george]: we'd see and find in scripture even more so when I like had my feet in the
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[rebecca_george]: Holy land. I don't know if you agree or you found that to be true
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[rebecca_george]: in your life, too. But it. it totally changed my walk with the Lord the way
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[kelly_minter]: sure, sure, yes, yes,
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[rebecca_george]: I read scripture and everything. it wrecked me. so
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[kelly_minter]: yes, absolutely, absolutely really gives you a tangible picture.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, Yeah, for sure. Well, I want to hear. Were there any like major awhaw
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[rebecca_george]: moments for you and God, you know, as you were doing the research and
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[rebecca_george]: studying to write this
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[rebecca_george]: that maybe you had never noticed before?
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[kelly_minter]: Yeah, I think that I think what was helpful for me was to to trace these
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[kelly_minter]: disciplines through scripture,
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: because I think a lot of times when we think spiritual disciplines we think of
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[kelly_minter]: you know, um, the first century the Desert Fathers, the first century Fathers,
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[kelly_minter]: and we think of monks, We, we think of, Uh, we, just, we kind of tend to go
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[kelly_minter]: way back in in time. And while that is true that a lot of these practices have
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[kelly_minter]: have have gone through, uh, especially the last two thousand years of church
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[kelly_minter]: history, it was really interesting for me to kind of what you just alluded to
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[kelly_minter]: is to trace these through really the beginning that people were practicing
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[kelly_minter]: but they will be. They will be born out of relationship,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, that's so good. I love that so much. Also who's your Fa favorite pelet
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[rebecca_george]: Oh, she's so good.
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[kelly_minter]: she is.
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[kelly_minter]: She's just so up like she's little up. And and she, it's funny because she's
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[rebecca_george]: I know.
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[kelly_minter]: and everything. And and because you're looking at her the whole time I start
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[kelly_minter]: I just she's easy for me to. you know. she's easy for me to respond
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: to Um on the bike,
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[rebecca_george]: same here.
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[kelly_minter]: especially when we'm tired. you know.
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[rebecca_george]: I know. I know I try to work out early in the mornings. and so I have to
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[rebecca_george]: have. I have to have takes a lot of energy to get me to
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[kelly_minter]: yeah.
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[rebecca_george]: get me going, but a couple of days ago I usually try to wear my earbuds when
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[rebecca_george]: I do my classes, but the other day like my husband is
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[kelly_minter]: uhhuh.
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[rebecca_george]: already out of bed and so I was like Okay, I'm not trying to keep anybody
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[kelly_minter]: Oh, no.
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[rebecca_george]: to play it out loud and he came in the
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[kelly_minter]: get on there.
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[rebecca_george]: came in the kitchen and he was like Man, That is a lot of energy for for
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[rebecca_george]: six. I, m, but he just like, never really hurt her. And so anyway, it was
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[rebecca_george]: really funny.
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[rebecca_george]: I love Sim. Lean. That's fun. So fun.
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[kelly_minter]: Yeah, yeah, that is, but
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[kelly_minter]: yeah, that's good.
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[rebecca_george]: Okay? Well, back to that was that was a hard right turn. Um, I, I do love me
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[kelly_minter]: Yeah, listen what you know. No, but, but it's it's good though, because
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[kelly_minter]: we. we. we think it it. It's it. It's in keeping with all of it, though,
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,
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[kelly_minter]: because we, we expect that we're going to have to work at something to get
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[rebecca_george]: M.
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[kelly_minter]: us. So it's like I'm willing to like get six a m. I, Now you're ahead of me.
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[kelly_minter]: I'm not getting on there at six a am, but I'm willing to get on
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: there and do the hard work.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: Um, so that I'm willing to, I'm willing to put that discipline into my health
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[kelly_minter]: and my body and all that. Um, but then it's and I'm willing to be disciplined
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[kelly_minter]: at work and I'm willing to be disciplined with my finances, and I'm willing to
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[kelly_minter]: be disciplined with time. you know, if with my nieces and nephews, But then
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[kelly_minter]: from our spiritual life we just assume like God's going to just do it for us.
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[kelly_minter]: Just
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[rebecca_george]: Mm.
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[kelly_minter]: you know, by the power of a spirit, he's just going to drop spiritual maturity
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[kelly_minter]: on us and it's like it is by the power of his spirit, but it is by the power
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[kelly_minter]: of the spirit. He invites us to participate with him
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, that's right.
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[kelly_minter]: in these disciplines, And so I think too. we need to like Be thinking about
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[kelly_minter]: that like, Hey, we discipline ourselves for anything that we care
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[rebecca_george]: that's right.
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[kelly_minter]: about. Um, but sometimes we compartmentalize in our spiritual life, and
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[kelly_minter]: because it's spiritual we think. Oh, well, I mean, Lord's just going to give
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[kelly_minter]: this to me. Um. and and yes, it's always by his grace, but it. there's also a
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[kelly_minter]: participating with him
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah.
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[kelly_minter]: in it and there is a discipline in these areas.
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, that matters so much. Because and and I don't know about you, but I
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[rebecca_george]: like liver die based off rhythms in my life. like I am
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[kelly_minter]: M.
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[rebecca_george]: a very like i.
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[rebecca_george]: By and large,
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[rebecca_george]: ninety percent of my weekdays are the exact same. I eat mostly the same
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[rebecca_george]: things. I wake up at the same time. I have the same rhythms And so, but, but
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[rebecca_george]: I will say how easy is it to like? I'll be disciplined about food, I'll be
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[rebecca_george]: disciplined about working out. I'll be disciplined by all the things, but
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[rebecca_george]: then there'll be a day where I'm like. I, just, it's four o'clock in't goten
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[rebecca_george]: my ▁quiet time day. But like I prepared for small groups so I'll just like
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[rebecca_george]: getting the word you know, like I so many times and not to like, put myself
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[rebecca_george]: in a in a shame cycle about that, but
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[kelly_minter]: no, right, yeah,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, we just you're right. We do have to be disciplined about our spiritual
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[rebecca_george]: lifes, too. That matter so much. Okay, I pulled a ▁quote that I loved in the
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[rebecca_george]: book from you, ▁quote John Mark Comer at the beginning of Um. When thepter
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[rebecca_george]: saying the noise of the modern world makes us deaf to the voice of God,
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[rebecca_george]: drowning out the one input we most need. I love that so much and I think as
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[rebecca_george]: we're talking about spiritual disciplines, it's just reminding me of how
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[rebecca_george]: much noise
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[rebecca_george]: we have
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[kelly_minter]: Mhm, Mhm, Mhm,
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[rebecca_george]: right now in in the news and social media and all things. And so how would
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[rebecca_george]: you want to encourage listeners to focus on eliminating the noise as a part
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[rebecca_george]: of this whole big conversation of spiritual disciplines?
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[kelly_minter]: Yeah, well, I think. I mean, obviously we're not going to eliminate it
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[kelly_minter]: altogether because of the culture that we live in,
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: but we can certainly uh make some some decisions to ▁quiet, and to knock out a
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[kelly_minter]: a lot of it, and I know one thing for me is, especially if I'm having time
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[kelly_minter]: with the Lord, especially in the morning, scripture and prayer. I have to have
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[kelly_minter]: my phone off it. like are not off but silenced and I have to have it all out
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[kelly_minter]: of my
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm.
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[kelly_minter]: viewcause. I, even if it's silence, I can see it blinking lighting up in the
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[kelly_minter]: corner, so I will put it in a different room. Uh, because we're going to get
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[kelly_minter]: text messages. You are?
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[rebecca_george]: yep,
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[kelly_minter]: you're going to get called. You're going to get notified. you're going and
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[kelly_minter]: we're just so a d. D. Because of how E, you know the way that we've been
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[kelly_minter]: trained so to to begin to set those parameters and say Okay, this is time of
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[kelly_minter]: solitude. This is times of ▁quiet, or you know if it's safe to do so in your
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: and just disconnect from some of that and I and I, I really think that a lot
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[kelly_minter]: of the reason why we don't do that is because the noise drowns out those areas
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[kelly_minter]: that we were where we're afraid or uncomfortable, or we're Um, you know, we're
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[kelly_minter]: anxious about something. And and we, we don't want to be with a alone with the
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[kelly_minter]: Lord because of what we might find there, or what we might discover about
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[kelly_minter]: ourselves or about what he's calling us to. And so it's just easier to
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[kelly_minter]: constantly, Uh, push all of that down by the commotion. And so a lot of it is
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[kelly_minter]: that discipline of saying Okay, I'm carving out this time to be in the Lord's
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[kelly_minter]: presence in ▁quiet, And and I think that makes a huge huge difference for me.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah. yeah. I agree. I agree. That's so good. Well as the book
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[rebecca_george]: releases out into the world. It's going to be in the world by the time this
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[rebecca_george]: airs, which is really exciting. so I want people to go grab it. I'm going to
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[rebecca_george]: say the name of it again in a minute, but I want to hear Kelly. What is your
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[rebecca_george]: prayer for women as they walk away from the study?
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[kelly_minter]: Mm.
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[kelly_minter]: I guess, Uh, one of my prayers is that women will be able to take back their
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[kelly_minter]: life for the one that God wants to give
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: them, and the for the, for the life that God has for them that we have. Um, so
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[kelly_minter]: often we just have lost our way. We've lost our time, we've lost our peace,
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[kelly_minter]: we've lost our day. we've lost. Our priorities are all out of whack. and that
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[kelly_minter]: by, by
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[kelly_minter]: um,
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[kelly_minter]: repositioning ourselves in a posture of being in the Lord's presence, and also
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[kelly_minter]: carrying out the things that he's asked us to, as our priorities become
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[kelly_minter]: clearer, Um, as our vision becomes clear that that we will be able to to to
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[kelly_minter]: take back and reclaim
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[kelly_minter]: Um the life that God
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[kelly_minter]: has created us for.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: And and so I think we do that when we're worshipedful when we're prayerful
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[kelly_minter]: when we're serving when we're accountable. You know when we're giving all of
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[kelly_minter]: that. And and again, it's not about. it's not about the acts themselves. it's
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[kelly_minter]: about the relationship
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm.
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[kelly_minter]: that those disciplines. Um, help us be more intentional about that
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[kelly_minter]: relationship. The Lord,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, that's so good. I love that so much. Okay. I'm going to say the name
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[rebecca_george]: of the book one more time, encountering God cultivating habits of faith
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[rebecca_george]: through the spiritual disciplines. I'm so excited for our people to go
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[rebecca_george]: grabbit, Kelly. I'm so grateful for you. I just want to say one more time.
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[rebecca_george]: thank you for being with me,
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[kelly_minter]: thank you, Rebecca, It's been awesome. Thank you guys so much for having me.
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[kelly_minter]: it's been really fun.
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[rebecca_george]: So okay, I'll do a quick pause and then we knock out these last few. If
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[rebecca_george]: that's good with you,
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[kelly_minter]: Okay, great,
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[rebecca_george]: Kelly. I am so happy to be with you today. Thank you for joining me.
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[kelly_minter]: Yes, absolutely, I'm so happy to be here.
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[rebecca_george]: so okay, we're going to do a little bonus round with you. So are you ready?
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[kelly_minter]: Yes, am I supposed to be prepared for this bonus round?
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[rebecca_george]: No, this is. this is like
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[kelly_minter]: Okay,
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[rebecca_george]: off the cuff. the first thing that comes to your
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[kelly_minter]: Okay
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[rebecca_george]: mind. Okay,
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[rebecca_george]: what is one of the best pieces of advice that you've ever been given?
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[kelly_minter]: to bloom where I was planted. So that was something. I was really trying to
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[kelly_minter]: make it in the music business and I was trying to to go out and figure out how
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[kelly_minter]: I could you know be successful and a friend of mine said Bloom where you're
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[kelly_minter]: planted. So, if you, you're here in North Virginia, take your guitar and your
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[kelly_minter]: songs that you've written and go to the retirement home, Um, go to the youth
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[kelly_minter]: group that ask you to play. Go to the wedding, Um that you know, with the
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[kelly_minter]: bride in the groom, want you to sing out
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: and just start there and then see what God does. And that was something that
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[kelly_minter]: that has been very helpful along the way.
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, that's so good. I love that. Okay. What's a book that you've read
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[rebecca_george]: lately that you want people to know about?
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[kelly_minter]: Uh, you know, I just finished up a o. Two books, Um, I finished up a book
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[kelly_minter]: called with
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[rebecca_george]: Okay?
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[kelly_minter]: by It's It's a harder name. I think it's like Goffanni, sky. It's kind of an
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[kelly_minter]: interesting name. but it's just whiff and it's all about. and this actually
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[kelly_minter]: would go along great with the spiritual One study. But
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: it's all about living the life with God instead of a life for God. Or what can
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[kelly_minter]: I get from God, or a life over God, or life under God, where we try to
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[kelly_minter]: manipulate him. He's like we are called to live life with God, so that was
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[kelly_minter]: really great. And then I read a a biography on the life of Henrietta Meirs,
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[kelly_minter]: which some people may know of her. I was. not. I had never heard of her until
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[kelly_minter]: I'd spoken out in California at a retreat center. That Uh was her retreat
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[kelly_minter]: center back in the thirties or forties, I think, but she was highly
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[kelly_minter]: influential in Billy Graham's ministry,
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[rebecca_george]: oh, wow,
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[kelly_minter]: the founder of Young Life, the founder of campus crusade. She was the Um. kind
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[kelly_minter]: of uh, just
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[kelly_minter]: a path blazer of
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: evangelicalism way back in Like the twenties and the thirties and Forties had
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[kelly_minter]: a huge legacy and impact. Um. And so that was really cool biography. Just to
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[kelly_minter]: read about her and to see how much of modernate evangelicalism she influenced.
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[rebecca_george]: wow, that's awesome. I've never heard of her. I'll have to check out that
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[kelly_minter]: Yeah, it was fun. It's It's a little dance, but
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[rebecca_george]: out.
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah. yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: you know, for people who like bios, that is good. it is a good one.
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[rebecca_george]: yeah, for sure. that's good. Okay personality question. If you were to have
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[rebecca_george]: a go, too karaoke song, what would it be?
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[kelly_minter]: Ooh.
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[kelly_minter]: Mm. maybe this is going to really date me, But
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[rebecca_george]: That's so fine.
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[kelly_minter]: um and I'm not now all of a sudden, I'm like it was in Nineteen ninety three.
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[kelly_minter]: This song, These are the days by Um.
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: war watch. Who was that?
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[rebecca_george]: I don't remember.
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[kelly_minter]: Uh, Sarah Mclauckli, Maybe no,
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[rebecca_george]: Maybe, so that is somebody like her.
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[kelly_minter]: maybe no, I. Yeah,
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: it was, but it was night. It was the year I graduated high school and I, I was
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[kelly_minter]: in the grocery store the other day and it came on and I was like. That's it
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[kelly_minter]: man. I love. I loved it because its kind of embodied like living. you know,
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[kelly_minter]: just living life.
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[rebecca_george]: mhm, Mhm,
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[kelly_minter]: And um, oh, now we're going to have to all go
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[rebecca_george]: We going. All people are yelling at us right now as they are listening. but
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[kelly_minter]: goo and find out who who did that for? right? Yeah, they are. They're like.
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[rebecca_george]: we'll go look it up.
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[kelly_minter]: Yeah, I know it's going to be like the most obvious thing ever as soon as I
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[kelly_minter]: get off of this, but yeah, that might be it.
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, that's a good one. I like that one a lot. Okay. What is something?
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[rebecca_george]: This could be anything at all that you are loving in this season that you
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[rebecca_george]: want people to know about.
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[kelly_minter]: Uh, I am really loving and you talked about this rhythm right
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[rebecca_george]: M.
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[kelly_minter]: now. I have, uh, for the last twenty years been on and off the road and you
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[kelly_minter]: know,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: out for an event back out front of an back out overseas back, you know, and
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[kelly_minter]: um, and obviously, for not great reasons, Uh, I have not had a ton of travel,
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[kelly_minter]: but I am really probably more of a homebt. Well, I am more of a homebody, and
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[rebecca_george]: Mhm.
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[kelly_minter]: more of a writer and a reflector and a student,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah'.
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[kelly_minter]: Uh, than I am,
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[kelly_minter]: always been out and about And so I've enjoyed the rhythm of being able to be a
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[kelly_minter]: craftsman in some of, uh, some of the writing that I've been able to do and
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[kelly_minter]: podcasting and things like that. So that's been something I've enjoyed,
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[rebecca_george]: yeah. I love that. that's good. Okay. who's been one of the most influential
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[rebecca_george]: people in your life? And why?
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[kelly_minter]: Um,
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[kelly_minter]: Gosh, That is a really good question. There's so many different people, Um,
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[kelly_minter]: so so many people that I could point to you, but I would say right now, Um,
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[kelly_minter]: my, my current pastor has
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[rebecca_george]: M.
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[kelly_minter]: been super influential. Just he is very gifted in areas that I am not gifted
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[kelly_minter]: in and he is just a real take charge leader, Um visionary missional. Um is
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[kelly_minter]: always looking for how to talk about Jesus to people who don't know him. He
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[kelly_minter]: just has a ton of faith and in working with him in recent years, Uh, he's
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[kelly_minter]: really.
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[kelly_minter]: He's just really,
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[kelly_minter]: uh, deepen my faith in the Lord. Uh, helped me to be more expectant for what
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[kelly_minter]: God can do in
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: in and around me, And uh, so he's been. He's been really influential. as of
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[kelly_minter]: recent.
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[rebecca_george]: that's awesome. That's a good one. Okay. We talked a little bit about Somem
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[rebecca_george]: thirty four five earlier. So those who look to him or radiant and their
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[rebecca_george]: faces are never covered in shame. Vs that we love around here, and I love
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[rebecca_george]: asking my guests right now. What about Jesus makes you radiant?
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[kelly_minter]: I gosh, that's a good one. Um,
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[kelly_minter]: I think the way that he has invited us into community with himself and his
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[kelly_minter]: people. I think I just love that idea of us all being in this together, and
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[kelly_minter]: um, even you get into first John, where John is talking about the Lord and
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[kelly_minter]: he's like we've touched him. We felt him. we've seen him. We've heard him with
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[kelly_minter]: our own ears, and and he says, Um,
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[kelly_minter]: something to the effective like because we have fellowship.
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[kelly_minter]: Um, we have joy because of the fellowship that we have with him. But basically
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[kelly_minter]: with you that
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,
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[kelly_minter]: that we're all in this fellowship together. And so there's there's a. There's
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[kelly_minter]: a, a joy and a radiance that I think comes from the gift of the community in a
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[kelly_minter]: body of Christ.
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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, that's good. I love that so good. Well, I am so thrilled about your
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[rebecca_george]: new study coming out. It will be out in the world. By the time people listen
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[rebecca_george]: to this, I'm going to say the name of it one more time, encountering God
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[rebecca_george]: cultivating habits of faith through the spiritual discipline, Kelly, This
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[rebecca_george]: has been so much fun. I loved having you. Thank you so much for joining me
