Episode 174. 12 Books of Christmas Day 11: Over It with Kelsey Grimm

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[rebecca_george]: Kelsey, I am so excited to welcome you to the show. Thank you for being with

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[rebecca_george]: me.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Oh, thank you so much for having the owner's mind.

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[rebecca_george]: Ah, this is so fun. I have wanted to get to know you for so long because

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[rebecca_george]: I've just I've followed you forevers, and I feel like we would be friends

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[rebecca_george]: And now I

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[kelsey_grimm]: No,

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[rebecca_george]: like know the little town that you live in in Tennessee. We've talked for a

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[rebecca_george]: few minutes, so I just feel like we're going to be fast friends. And when I

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[rebecca_george]: saw your book, I just knew this would be such a fun conversation for our

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[rebecca_george]: people. So you released a book this year? What month? Remind me?

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[kelsey_grimm]: literally a week ago today, which is insane, like literally

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[rebecca_george]: Wow, Okay, that's nuts.

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[kelsey_grimm]: first. So a week

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: ago today Pa gone.

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[rebecca_george]: that's so crazy, so crazy. Okay, so it's called over it, forgetting who you

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[rebecca_george]: said again over it, forgetting who you're expected to be and becoming who

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[rebecca_george]: you already are. We love having conversations like this around here, so I'm

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[rebecca_george]: just so excited to get into the book here in just a minute. But because this

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[rebecca_george]: is included in our twelve books of Christmas series that we um, do every

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[rebecca_george]: year for Christmas, which I love, and uh, we actually give away a copy of

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[rebecca_george]: all twelve books that we're featuring over the next couple of weeks to one

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[rebecca_george]: of our listeners, And so over it will be included in that, which is really

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[rebecca_george]: fun. So before we get into the book, we need to talk a little Christmas, so

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[rebecca_george]: let's start out by. Let's talk. What did Christmas look like for you, Kelsey

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[rebecca_george]: when you were growing up?

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[kelsey_grimm]: Oh man'. such a good question. I have such fond memories of just the Christmas

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[kelsey_grimm]: season in general, growing up in my childhood. My parents did a really

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[kelsey_grimm]: beautiful job. I know. There' lots of polarizing use these days about

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: Santa Claus. We lied to our kids during night while I grew up in Santa Claus

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[kelsey_grimm]: as a little girl, and at some point, um, I mean, I grew out of it Age or but

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[kelsey_grimm]: I, there was like really cute magic around it.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: My parents also did an amazing job of marrying the true meaning of Christmas

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[kelsey_grimm]: with the magic of it for a child. And so I have end, the less fond memories of

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[kelsey_grimm]: Um Christmas growing up, but for us it was just a huge family affair like we

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[kelsey_grimm]: had. It depends on the yearar, but sometimes we would have all the extended

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[kelsey_grimm]: family in town and it was always hosted at our house, which was awesome, and

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Um, Christmas Eve was always across the street in my grandma's house. And so

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[kelsey_grimm]: that was really special and it was always just a big. loud fun time

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, I

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[kelsey_grimm]: every year.

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[rebecca_george]: love that. Yeah, I

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[kelsey_grimm]: No,

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[rebecca_george]: have the same type of memories and I sometimes I take that for granted like

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[rebecca_george]: I realized that that's not the case for everybody. but we just my parents

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[rebecca_george]: did the same. They did a great job of

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[rebecca_george]: keeping the true meaning of Christmas the meaning of Christmas, but also we

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[rebecca_george]: had so much fun and we ate so much emy food and we made all the Christmas

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[rebecca_george]: crafts and all the things.

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[kelsey_grimm]: absolutely the best.

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[rebecca_george]: So, yeah, so do you when you think back, or even with your kids now? Either

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[rebecca_george]: way, like if you have a better example with your kids. I fine. Do you have a

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[rebecca_george]: favorite like thing that you do or tradition that you do each year that you

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[rebecca_george]: like, kind of look forward to.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Yeah, so there actually is

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[kelsey_grimm]: it. It was

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[kelsey_grimm]: kind of an adjustment to be honest, getting married, because you know when

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah.

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[kelsey_grimm]: you're a kid and you're growing up. Your parents have done traditions the same

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[kelsey_grimm]: way every year. This is kind of just how you do things, and then when you

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: marry someone you kind of got a blend traditions or start your own from

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[kelsey_grimm]: scratch, And so Kleb and I had a little bit of a trial and erra for the first

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[kelsey_grimm]: couple of years for our marriage, but we've fallen into a really really

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[kelsey_grimm]: beautiful, uh Christmas Eve tradition. Um, that we do just our little family,

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[kelsey_grimm]: Just the five of us,

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[rebecca_george]: Oh, I love this.

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[kelsey_grimm]: and Um, it usually makes a big shir huy board, Um

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[kelsey_grimm]: around the coffee table in the living room with Christmas music and thenable

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[kelsey_grimm]: read the Christmas story from the Bible to the kids. And there's the little

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[kelsey_grimm]: puzzle that we have that goes with it, making kind to manipulate the pieces,

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[kelsey_grimm]: And it's a really sweet, just kind of intimate family moment for us. And so

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[kelsey_grimm]: that's become one of my favorite Christmas traditions that we've kind of

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[kelsey_grimm]: adopted just like this, very small

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[kelsey_grimm]: around the tree, shar hueary board. And you know beinging together, reading

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[kelsey_grimm]: the story together, remembering what Christmas is all about, And of course we

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: put out the F. help our kids and they think you know just fun. It's just

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[kelsey_grimm]: bringing a little bit of the magic into it for the little ones, but um, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: it's just a really sweet little tradition that we've adopted for myself. We

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[kelsey_grimm]: love it.

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[rebecca_george]: I love that, I love that that's so fun. Okay, this is maybe my favorite

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[rebecca_george]: question. Do you have something that you have to eat on Christmas Day? Like

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[rebecca_george]: you, I know for me, like with my family. The meal that we eat on Christmas

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[rebecca_george]: day like I don't eat that meal the other three hundred and

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[rebecca_george]: sixty four days of the year right like there are just things that you only

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[kelsey_grimm]: Had you ever to of been earth?

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[rebecca_george]: like who eat sweetato gaserol any other day, but

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[rebecca_george]: Christmas day, so like, Is that what you were going to say?

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[kelsey_grimm]: Yes, Oh my god,

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[kelsey_grimm]: or you get it. You get it then. so every single Christmas morning, Um, we go

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[kelsey_grimm]: to my mom's like later on in the morning. Now we have little ones of our own,

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[kelsey_grimm]: but we go over to her house for brunch, and it's a whole extended family

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[kelsey_grimm]: affair. Once again like that

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: has that will never go away. and we, there is this very specific brunch meal

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[kelsey_grimm]: that we eat every year without feal. and it is my favorite meal of the year

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[kelsey_grimm]: She makes.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: my mom makes us like baked French toast that has an apple caramel

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[rebecca_george]: oh yeah, girl, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: layer on it like, Oh my god, ridiculous and like an egg casserole, And what

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[kelsey_grimm]: else there is? Oh cheesy potatoes, a fruit salad. But it's just this beautiful

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[kelsey_grimm]: brunch spread and I literally live for it every year, so

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: yes, I, I can't imagine Christmas morning without that French meeal, it

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[kelsey_grimm]: would't be Christmas Fru.

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[rebecca_george]: no, it would not be. I love that so much.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Oh yeah, for me three things, the French tonees the Jesus Dales, and that

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[kelsey_grimm]: cassol. The pre

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,

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[rebecca_george]: there's nothing

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[kelsey_grimm]: so good

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[rebecca_george]: like a breakfast cassole on Christmas morning so good

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[kelsey_grimm]: there's really not casseroles are kind of. they get a bad rough, but you know

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[kelsey_grimm]: what, Our Christmas morning the E caserol, I'm from here for it. Yeah,

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[rebecca_george]: I know I am too so good, so so good. Okay, so I am so excited to dig into

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[rebecca_george]: your book, so I'm going to say the title of it again for people who might

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[rebecca_george]: not have caught it earlier over it, forgetting who you are expected to be

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[rebecca_george]: and becoming who you already are. So you share a little bit about a lot

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[rebecca_george]: about a relationship that. Really, ▁ultimately helped you realize the true

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[rebecca_george]: importance of letting go right of the expectations that maybe people place

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[rebecca_george]: on us and really embracing the beauty of who God made you to be. And so for

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[rebecca_george]: listeners who don't know anything about your story as much as you want to

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[rebecca_george]: share, where you share a little bit about kind of the backdrop of your

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[rebecca_george]: story, that kind of led to this book,

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[kelsey_grimm]: yes, absolutely so. um, I'm a passer's kid, so I'm innna. Kind of start at

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[rebecca_george]: Okay, I'm a pastor's wife. We already have a lot in common. Yeah, okay,

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[kelsey_grimm]: the beginning, but I'll give you pa. Okay. So then yeah, oh, we. you will

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[kelsey_grimm]: understand this. then. if you're a pastor's wife or a pastor's kid, or you

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[kelsey_grimm]: grew up in the church, Uh, with a lot of people watching you, Um, then

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: I don't have to explain this idea of the fishful effect, You know

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[rebecca_george]: right,

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[kelsey_grimm]: that like from every angle of your life, people are watching you and people.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Um, you know, there are a lot of great people out there, but there are a lot

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[kelsey_grimm]: of people out there too That want to see Fail? You want to

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: see fall and I think I understood it a really young age. Just being a passors.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Getting growing up in that kind of environment that people needed me to be a

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[kelsey_grimm]: certain thing right like I needed to uphold this image that I was

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[kelsey_grimm]: perfect. And

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: if I wasn't perfect then I needed to at least appear that way and of course

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[kelsey_grimm]: that was never a message that was

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[kelsey_grimm]: told to me verbally. You know, these

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[rebecca_george]: right,

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[kelsey_grimm]: were just that I'd picked up and absorbed over time.

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[rebecca_george]: y.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Um, and so for me, it started really young, but the way that it kind of

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[kelsey_grimm]: translated to my adult journey is that by the time I got to college, Um, I

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[kelsey_grimm]: think I just lived most of my life suppressing the parts of me that were

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[kelsey_grimm]: messy. and so, um, you know, keeping up this exterior while the interior kind

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[kelsey_grimm]: of was crumbling me. I being totally honest and so, um, by the time I got to

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[kelsey_grimm]: college, I didn't really know who I was. You know I was Kelsey, the good girl

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[kelsey_grimm]: and healthelsy, who knew all of the answers and could tell you what the

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[kelsey_grimm]: answers were, but inside I think I was just dying to be sephery. Really

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: for myself. You know, I, I didn't want to be

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[kelsey_grimm]: this perfect person and I felt like everyone around me expected me to be and I

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[kelsey_grimm]: needed some space to come into myself And ▁ultimately,

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[kelsey_grimm]: you know I,

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[kelsey_grimm]: it's an interesting, slow faith. You know, when

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: you start to bend to the expectations and the standards of people around you,

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[kelsey_grimm]: you will start to do that more quickly and more often as your journey

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[kelsey_grimm]: progresses, you know, And so that's exactly what happened to me. I found

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[kelsey_grimm]: myself in this relationship in college, and Um, I was trying desperately to be

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[kelsey_grimm]: who I thought that this man wanted me to be. I wanted him to love me, and um,

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[kelsey_grimm]: the reality was that he loved an idea of me and I was doing whatever it took

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[kelsey_grimm]: to live up to it, And so um, you know, I just gave away pieces of myself and

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[kelsey_grimm]: hopes that I could become who I felt like this man

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[kelsey_grimm]: wanted me to be. And so you know, it was uh, constantly chipping away at

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[kelsey_grimm]: myself and so

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: ▁ultimately that relationship, Um, it was incredibly destructive and damaging

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[kelsey_grimm]: in a whole lot of ways. I mean, I, we got to a place where he abused me

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[kelsey_grimm]: sexually and emotionally and psychologically and it was really really awful.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Um, and I lived under that heavy hand of his for a long time. I mean, I got

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[kelsey_grimm]: engaged to him at one point because I felt so trapped in this world.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Um, and

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[kelsey_grimm]: eventually I, I got out. I escaped that relationship. I mean fairly what I did

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[kelsey_grimm]: and um. I waited a really, really, a long time, Uh before I told Anyon what it

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[kelsey_grimm]: happened and what he had done to me and the things that he had said to me, and

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[kelsey_grimm]: ▁ultimately, it was because I lived with so much shame. I felt

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: like

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[kelsey_grimm]: it was my faults that I found myself in that relationship that I decided

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[kelsey_grimm]: myself to that place in that relationship, and um,

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[kelsey_grimm]: and you do not deal with that, And that is exactly what happened to me when I

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[kelsey_grimm]: Oh, for any, I'm so passion about it. That is my message for every person that

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[kelsey_grimm]: picks up this book. I want you. I want them to read my story

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[kelsey_grimm]: you're all looked right where you sit today. and the world asked to be a

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[kelsey_grimm]: I can walk with my head, because I already love. you know. I'm already enough

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[kelsey_grimm]: as I show up today and all my mess and all of my past. I'm enough and that I.

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[rebecca_george]: to like you didn't have to do this like you didn't have to go down the path

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[rebecca_george]: of like chronicling what God has done to a deem your story for other people.

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[rebecca_george]: But like what a gift to those listening who like I don't want to take for

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[rebecca_george]: I just think it's such a beautiful thing that you've taken your story and

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[rebecca_george]: for the girl listening, who is like, Yeah, Rebecca Kelse, like Im there like

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[kelsey_grimm]: Yes, Yes, such a good question, and so practical. Because what I've learned

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[kelsey_grimm]: Unfortunately, my story not uncommon.

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[kelsey_grimm]: he makes me feel uncomfortable. He pushes me too far, or I don't feel good

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[kelsey_grimm]: enough when I'm with him, and this just have to apply to a significant other

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[kelsey_grimm]: you know in awareness around mental health, but I'm living there now and I, I

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[kelsey_grimm]: That's the first step. That is the first step as admitting that you're not

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[kelsey_grimm]: That's the first step. That is the first step as admitting that you're not

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[kelsey_grimm]: that you feel you could text that to a call. Um, would you come alongside me

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[kelsey_grimm]: that you feel you could text that to a call. Um, would you come alongside me

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[kelsey_grimm]: and just meet me where I am right now? That is a crucial step and it's not.

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[kelsey_grimm]: and just meet me where I am right now? That is a crucial step and it's not.

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[kelsey_grimm]: There Should be no shame in that step like I want to affirm how brave and how

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[kelsey_grimm]: that you're not

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[kelsey_grimm]: get out.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: Get out, you. You are better than that. You're worth more than that, Like

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[kelsey_grimm]: God created you, and only one you.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: so don't be afraid. Don't don't be afraid to step into that person who you are

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[kelsey_grimm]: Because you are meant to be here. You're meant to take up space in the world.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Leave your footprints no matter how messy you're you know, out of

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[kelsey_grimm]: like my path is messy like my

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: footsteps are all over the place. But hey, I'm living them and learning from

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[kelsey_grimm]: them every day, and I have finally reached a point my life where I'm Ok. To

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[kelsey_grimm]: look back at the footsteps and how messy and offt path they've been, because

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[kelsey_grimm]: here I am day living

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[kelsey_grimm]: fully in Christ, and I'm living in abundant life free of what people think of

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[kelsey_grimm]: me and what any one wants to say about me like I am confident

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[kelsey_grimm]: in my identity and Christ, and that's what I want for the girl listening to

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[kelsey_grimm]: this, who just feels like she's not enough. You are, you are enough. wherever

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[kelsey_grimm]: you are, listening to the say you are enough

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: and I'm I am like walking living proof

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[kelsey_grimm]: and I'm I am like walking living proof

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[kelsey_grimm]: of

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[kelsey_grimm]: you know stepping into that and it's

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: a thing that you have to step into every day. It's a choice of you make. it's

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[kelsey_grimm]: not a point of arrival. I wish that it would work. It would be much easier if

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[rebecca_george]: that'll be a lot easier. Yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: I could just say

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[kelsey_grimm]: I've arrived. I figured. Oh, I haven't,

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[kelsey_grimm]: but I'm'm making a choice to step into myself every day, and to be

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[kelsey_grimm]: you know, fully aware that I was created for such a time as this, and so'. to

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[kelsey_grimm]: that

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I love that so much and I think the thing that

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[rebecca_george]: has gotten a little a little waky and complicated for people over the last

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[rebecca_george]: few years. Is

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[rebecca_george]: there has been such a rise of this Like hustle Do all the things You know.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Yes, my work.

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[rebecca_george]: You're the hero of your own story, type of like kind of mindset, And then

430
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[rebecca_george]: there's this conflicting message of. But like you're enough, you are enough.

431
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[rebecca_george]: and it's like from the world's perspective we like battle this like Okay, On

432
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[rebecca_george]: one side, I'm supposed to do all the things and I'm supposed to,

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[kelsey_grimm]: Yes's right.

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[rebecca_george]: And am I'm going to get up earlier, and blah blah blah. And like the

435
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[rebecca_george]: scripture, has a lot to say about self discipline, and all those things also

436
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[rebecca_george]: has a lot to say about rest, and a lot to say about like resting in the

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[rebecca_george]: Lord, Right, and so on the flips side we see this message of you or enough,

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[rebecca_george]: and it conflicts with what the world tells us. And so there's this tension

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[rebecca_george]: there

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[rebecca_george]: because we're forgetting that the only reason that we're enough is because

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[rebecca_george]: we are. Re. we are abdeemed child of God. But right like he is, his spirit

442
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[rebecca_george]: is living inside us, giving us discernment. He is our helper like we are.

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[rebecca_george]: Even if you feel alone in the midst of this season or this conversation, as

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[rebecca_george]: a follower of Christ, You have the Holy Spirit living inside of you and we

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[rebecca_george]: forget that so often, and we try to operate in our own strength, which is

446
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[rebecca_george]: why I think we perpetuate this like Okay, I have to meet the expectations of

447
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[rebecca_george]: others. Have to do it all on my own, and

448
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[rebecca_george]: those are the things and the Biblical truth that we're forgetting in those

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[rebecca_george]: seasons. And so I'm curious. like is you, We're riding the book and this

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[rebecca_george]: whole idea of forgetting who you expected to be, Select the expectations of

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[rebecca_george]: others in the struggle. There,

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[rebecca_george]: as as you wrote about that, and as you talk to women about that, what are

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[rebecca_george]: some of the expectations that you think are maybe holding women back right

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[rebecca_george]: now?

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[kelsey_grimm]: Well, I think that you just touched on it. I mean

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[kelsey_grimm]: we live in a breakneck paced society right

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: like, there is very little time

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[kelsey_grimm]: for slowing down and for taking in moments. And I think part of this journey

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[kelsey_grimm]: for me

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[kelsey_grimm]: has been forcing myself to slow down.

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[kelsey_grimm]: Even, I mean like I'm not going to pretend that life isn't crazy with three

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[kelsey_grimm]: kids on age of five, and you

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: know a a career and writing a book. I mean that it. It's there. It's a lot.

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[kelsey_grimm]: You know that taking time

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[kelsey_grimm]: and taking steps back, I think

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: is important because as women we are expected to do all the things. I mean

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[kelsey_grimm]: you can't. You can hardly be a stay at home mom anymore about people saying,

473
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[kelsey_grimm]: Oh, so that's that's all you do. As if

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[rebecca_george]: right,

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[kelsey_grimm]: that isn't like an actual full time job or the equivalent of To

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[rebecca_george]: the highest and holiest calling of any human being?

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[kelsey_grimm]: That's right. That's exactly right. I mean, but you hear that a lot

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: these days because there is this expectation now that you can't stay home with

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[kelsey_grimm]: your kids, you know, and be a homemaker and a wife and a mom, And that's

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[kelsey_grimm]: somehow not enough anymore. You know

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[kelsey_grimm]: you have to also contribute financially and you have to pull your way out in

484
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[kelsey_grimm]: the world, and you have to like, let people know that you're a working stay at

485
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[kelsey_grimm]: home, Mom and you're doing it. You're you know, you're spending all these

486
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[kelsey_grimm]: plates and man, it's exhausting like even just talking about it. I'm I hate

487
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[kelsey_grimm]: it. I mean, I hate it, and with the rise of social media,

488
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[kelsey_grimm]: it is darn near impossible, right to live in today's society as a woman

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[kelsey_grimm]: without scrolling through your phone and seeing

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: exactly what Like this. Okay, this is what to look like.

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[kelsey_grimm]: exactly what Like this. Okay, this is what to look like.

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[kelsey_grimm]: This is how I'm supposed to show up in the world. I need to be doing this more

494
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[kelsey_grimm]: and this more and this more in this more and the truth is that when we moved

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[kelsey_grimm]: at that pace in our lives we miss God.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: We're muffing in like we are missing opportunities.

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[kelsey_grimm]: You know, to open our eyes

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[kelsey_grimm]: to the fact that he is all around us like you show up in places we never

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[kelsey_grimm]: expect him to be. If only we have eyes to see, and I think

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[kelsey_grimm]: then are culture in society where

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[kelsey_grimm]: the standard like the faceeline is

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[kelsey_grimm]: you wear eighteen hats. as one person. What we bound to Corion for it

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: that day is common. you know, And if you haven't yet, you're going to I. My

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[kelsey_grimm]: encouragement would be

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[kelsey_grimm]: to take things out of your life. I mean, systematically cut things out, as

508
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[kelsey_grimm]: that's what needs to happen for you to slow. Do, slow

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: down so that you don't miss the moments. You don't miss the moments of your

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[kelsey_grimm]: children like I see God, and with more and my children, then may anything

512
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[kelsey_grimm]: else. I mean, I, and think that the ways that we connect with God change in

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[kelsey_grimm]: our lives and in

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[kelsey_grimm]: different seasons of our lifez. And in this season of my life, I see God so

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[kelsey_grimm]: much in the eyes of my children, and in moments when they're playing on the

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[kelsey_grimm]: backyard, And if I've don't put this away, my

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: phone

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[kelsey_grimm]: and take the time to see and sit in the moment. that a mean to learn to be

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[kelsey_grimm]: present. Those moments pass by

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: Thanles life. And so I think it is okay and I think it's actually not okay.

524
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[kelsey_grimm]: It's a necessary as a woman living into society

525
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[kelsey_grimm]: to pick and choose carefully where you're spending your time in your energy

526
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[kelsey_grimm]: and what

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[kelsey_grimm]: you're allowing to influence your decision making. Like we can choose to

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[kelsey_grimm]: scroll and let

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[kelsey_grimm]: you know The internet. Tell us what we' supposed to be suppose to be supposed

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[kelsey_grimm]: to look and show up in the world, or we could F that way and we could show up

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, Mhm, Mhm,

533
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[kelsey_grimm]: in the right now. where

534
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[kelsey_grimm]: were present. Be in the room, were sitting in there, you know, Be in the

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[kelsey_grimm]: outside with your kids when you' sitting there,

536
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[kelsey_grimm]: take a moment and a breath to process

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, Mhm,

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[kelsey_grimm]: right now. Because that's the reality of life. is it? We

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: only

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[kelsey_grimm]: this very moment.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: So what are we doing?

544
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[kelsey_grimm]: You know, are you living in it or are you living in? You know, this fragment

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[kelsey_grimm]: case that we'

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[kelsey_grimm]: old as normal,

547
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[kelsey_grimm]: was ever meant to be with this fast,

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't either,

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[kelsey_grimm]: So I think slowing down. There is so much value there if we

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[kelsey_grimm]: force

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm.

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[kelsey_grimm]: ourselves to do it.

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[rebecca_george]: I, I agree. I had a conversation on the show a couple months ago with

554
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[rebecca_george]: So Jennifer Duke's Lee, She wrote a book called Growing slow this past year,

555
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[rebecca_george]: And it's all about and she calls herself like a recovering

556
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[rebecca_george]: like achiever. And and she basically chronicles this journey she and got

557
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[rebecca_george]: have been on of. Like, what does it look like for me to grow slow? Like what

558
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[rebecca_george]: does it look like for me to run at a pace that's sustainable over the long

559
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[rebecca_george]: haul? Um, and I think if I remember correctly for her, she had sort of a

560
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[rebecca_george]: health crisis that kind of forced her into that rhythm. and it was such a

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[rebecca_george]: sobering reminder to me of like Lord, help me not to get. Let me not to get

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[rebecca_george]: to that place. Like, how can I put some guard rails up now in this season?

563
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[rebecca_george]: Um, and that's never going to feel comfortable like we. I think we're We're

564
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[rebecca_george]: kind of like looking for permission to do that or to rest. I was actually

565
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[rebecca_george]: writing about this today as part of my book. Um, We want permission to like

566
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[rebecca_george]: not do all the things right and we're not going to. We're never going to get

567
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[rebecca_george]: it like nobody's going to ever hand us a permission slip of. Like you have

568
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[rebecca_george]: permission to actually sabbath on Saturday, you have permission to shut down

569
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[rebecca_george]: work and not be on social in the evenings with your family. We have to

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[rebecca_george]: choose that we will never

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[kelsey_grimm]: that's right.

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[rebecca_george]: stumble upon rest. It's going to be intentional and so I think more than

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[rebecca_george]: ever before. That's just something that we have to almost force in a good

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[rebecca_george]: way in our lives for it to happen. So I totally agree with you.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Yes, it won't happen accidentally. that's for sure.

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, for sure, I'm curious.

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, yes, that's the best word. intentionality, I think is is so important

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[rebecca_george]: there and I'm curious for you and Kleb. like as you guys have continued. Um,

579
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[rebecca_george]: you know, growing up in the music industry together, I'm curious. like. what

580
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[rebecca_george]: is this whole idea of letting go of the expectations of others?

581
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[rebecca_george]: How has that been challenged for Y with your work

582
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[rebecca_george]: or has that been? I don't know. I'm just, I'm just curious as you wrote this

583
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[rebecca_george]: book like there had to have been pieces of like your work. that. um,

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[rebecca_george]: I don't know. I would imagine you guys have to put some boundaries in place,

585
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[rebecca_george]: and kind of navigate that in that space as well, right,

586
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[kelsey_grimm]: Yes, absolutely. I mean, the reality is C and deal with so much Fa face music.

587
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[kelsey_grimm]: because if we are deeed there,

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: it matters to us. it means something to us. and like I said, our roots are

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[kelsey_grimm]: painted in our faith.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: But you know, if you've been around for any length of time and listen to

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[kelsey_grimm]: over the course of the last and eight years that you would know we also do

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[kelsey_grimm]: somes

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[kelsey_grimm]: some country. We, also, we can you. A whole lot of things re cover Ga, and

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[kelsey_grimm]: people have all kinds of things to say. You know about

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[rebecca_george]: oh, I'm sure.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Klen, I do, and what we wear and how we present ourselves and our level of

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[kelsey_grimm]: honesty. And you know, we have been pretty open on social media about our

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[kelsey_grimm]: marriage and our struggles in side within our marriage. You know, and the

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[kelsey_grimm]: things that we've been through And I think it's important and I, I tend to be

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[kelsey_grimm]: an open book. Um,

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[rebecca_george]: yeah. yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: you know, in in a lot of ways I don't shy away from di difficult conversations

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[kelsey_grimm]: or topics, because what I want to see happen is for stigmas to be broken.

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[kelsey_grimm]: right in the church. I want to see stigmas broken and conserved Christian

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[kelsey_grimm]: culture. I want there to be conversations around the things that people are

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[kelsey_grimm]: scared to have conversations around.

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[rebecca_george]: Mhm,

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[kelsey_grimm]: And so, um,

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[kelsey_grimm]: I, for me, I've had to get to a place where

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[kelsey_grimm]: what people say about me and and the messages that I that I get. No, they

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[kelsey_grimm]: don't,

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[kelsey_grimm]: Um,

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[kelsey_grimm]: they don't. not that they don't affect me. I mean the reality is unhuman in

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[kelsey_grimm]: words hurt. You know,

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: words can carry hurt and word can carry healing, and people often choose to

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[kelsey_grimm]: use their words to hurt people. and I, so I would be ▁lying. If I said that,

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[kelsey_grimm]: it didn't affect me, but I think I've got to a place where again I'm

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[kelsey_grimm]: abandoning what

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[kelsey_grimm]: the weight of what people sayve to me. Uh, kind of bothl for good and fath,

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[kelsey_grimm]: But like I, I appreciate people's um positive affirmations, but the reality is

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[kelsey_grimm]: Um.

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[kelsey_grimm]: If what people think and say of me matters the most me, then one or two things

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[kelsey_grimm]: will happen. If they say something horrible to me then it destroys me and

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[kelsey_grimm]: levels me, and I feel like I'm not good enough.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: And the other side of that is when people

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[kelsey_grimm]: build me up, and you know if M, if what people think of me has the power to

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[kelsey_grimm]: raise me up, then it boosts by hego, and so

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: for me like, neither one of those things

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[kelsey_grimm]: is why I'm doing what I'm doing right

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[rebecca_george]: right,

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[kelsey_grimm]: like I I being, and you and I are singing Because we feel like we're called to

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[kelsey_grimm]: do this and that this is aqui that we've been given and we've been given a

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[kelsey_grimm]: platform and we're trying to steward it at weal. You know, same with my book,

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[kelsey_grimm]: like I

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: feel. I have felt like God is open all these doors for me and all I

643
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[kelsey_grimm]: continuously done is walk through an open door. These

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[rebecca_george]: y.

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[kelsey_grimm]: are not things that I've

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[kelsey_grimm]: you know, I've been knocking down doors to to have happened Like these are

647
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[kelsey_grimm]: just things that I feel the Lord has allowed me to step into And so I will

648
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[kelsey_grimm]: continue to pick that, But it's really important to maintain a level

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[kelsey_grimm]: headedness. Um, and how you allow what people say to you affect

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[rebecca_george]: mhm, Mhm,

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[kelsey_grimm]: you. You know I can. I can choose to let it

652
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[kelsey_grimm]: tell me what my identity is and what my worth and value is. you know, But the

653
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[kelsey_grimm]: reality is I already know where my worth and value come from, and it's not but

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[kelsey_grimm]: what people say about me, So

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: I I am freed

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[kelsey_grimm]: to walk you know, confidently,

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[kelsey_grimm]: knowing that people will say all kinds of things good and bad, And and I'm

659
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[kelsey_grimm]: okay, you know I'm okay, Because

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: my identity is in who. The way that God sees me, and the way

662
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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: that God sees me is his daughter, his child, He who delights in me, And

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[kelsey_grimm]: you know, if we could all start to see ourselves from that point of view, I

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[kelsey_grimm]: think it would really change the way to. we show the way that we show up for

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[kelsey_grimm]: each other. I could if we could remember that God delights, and uh, see, are

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[kelsey_grimm]: his babies that he loves us so much. You know. It really would

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[kelsey_grimm]: change the way

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: that we treat other people any way that we speak about others.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Um,

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[kelsey_grimm]: so it, you know it, It is hard and it's hard to be

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[kelsey_grimm]: in the space that Cal and I are in, but I think it's also just

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[kelsey_grimm]: hold it loosely. My God has given us this opportunity to sing together and we'

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[kelsey_grimm]: going to do that, you know, And it doesn't really matter

676
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[kelsey_grimm]: what people say, you know.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: We also have really amazing messages of the way that music. the music has

679
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[kelsey_grimm]: affected people and impacted them, you know. Our music has go its way into

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[kelsey_grimm]: some really dark places in people's lives, and those messages

681
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[kelsey_grimm]: mean, have sa, many a time crying over

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[kelsey_grimm]: really powerful messages that people have about know the way that our music

683
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[kelsey_grimm]: brought them out of some really dark places, And that will always make this

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[kelsey_grimm]: journey worth

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[rebecca_george]: that's amazing. the verse that God kept bringing me back to, As. So we

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[rebecca_george]: rebranded the podcast a few months ago to Radical radiance, which is our

688
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[rebecca_george]: name now, and God kept bringing me back to this verse and Som thirty four.

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[rebecca_george]: It's first five. it says, Those who look to him are radiant and their faces

690
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[rebecca_george]: are never covered in shame. I just I don't want to miss that

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[rebecca_george]: that

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[rebecca_george]: that vis that mission of like what we're about here is so tied to this

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[rebecca_george]: conversation, and that's why it matters so much to me, because when we look

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[rebecca_george]: to him when we abide in him, and we see this all throughout the pages of

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[rebecca_george]: scripture.

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[rebecca_george]: That is what makes us radiant. It has nothing to do with outer beauty. It

697
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[rebecca_george]: has nothing to do with performance or achieving. It has everything to do

698
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[rebecca_george]: with who we are in Christ, and that also takes care of, like the shame

699
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[rebecca_george]: factor that we're talking about right

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[kelsey_grimm]: right.

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[rebecca_george]: when when we have our eyes fixed on him, the shame disappears right because

702
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[rebecca_george]: we know that those thoughts aren't from him. and so

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[kelsey_grimm]: right.

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[rebecca_george]: one of my favorite ways of saying the whole approval thing is you're not

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[rebecca_george]: going to stand before them, whoever they are and give an account for your

706
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[rebecca_george]: life. One day, you're going to same for God. you're in same for him. So like

707
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[rebecca_george]: when we do that when we abide in him, That is where we're going to find.

708
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[rebecca_george]: Enjoy that is where we're going to find abundance. That's where we're going

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[rebecca_george]: to find Um joy. And so I just think that's such a powerful reminder. So I, I

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[rebecca_george]: can attest to you all'll do a beautiful job. I think of being um, vulnerable

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[rebecca_george]: in an open book and I actually really appreciate that, because I agree with

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[rebecca_george]: you that Um, we can either perpetuate the problem of being

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[rebecca_george]: a highlight real, or we can be honest in a way that is redemptive. And I

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[rebecca_george]: think that's what you guys have done. so I I think that's beautiful. Well, I

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[rebecca_george]: am so

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[rebecca_george]: so so excited about the message of your book. I'm go to say the name of it.

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[rebecca_george]: Well more time. it's called over it, forgetting who you're expected to be

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[rebecca_george]: and becoming who you already are. I can't wait for listeners to go grab a

719
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[rebecca_george]: copy. I can't wait for our winner of the give away to win a copy. And um,

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[rebecca_george]: Kelse. I'm just so thankful for you. Thank you for being honest and sharing

721
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[rebecca_george]: your story. and thank you for being with me.

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[rebecca_george]: Today's so fun. Okay, I'm going to do a quick pause and then we'll do our

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[rebecca_george]: Today's so fun. Okay, I'm going to do a quick pause and then we'll do our

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[kelsey_grimm]: Thank you so much for having

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[kelsey_grimm]: such an honor and thank you for giving me face to show up as I am.

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[rebecca_george]: little our little bonus round. Okay,

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[rebecca_george]: little our little bonus round. Okay,

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[rebecca_george]: Kelse. It's been so fun to be with you today. Thank you for being on the

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[rebecca_george]: show

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[kelsey_grimm]: Thank you so much for having me

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[kelsey_grimm]: so great appreciated.

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[rebecca_george]: so fun, so we just had the best conversation about your new book over it,

733
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[rebecca_george]: forgetting who you're expected to be and becoming who you already are, and

734
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[rebecca_george]: so'm excited to do a little bonus round with you to get to know you a little

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[rebecca_george]: better. So are you ready?

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[kelsey_grimm]: I think so,

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[rebecca_george]: Okay? we're going to do it all right. Yes, this is just like rapid fire.

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[rebecca_george]: Okay, so the first question is what do you think is one of the best pieces

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[rebecca_george]: of advice that you've ever been given?

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[kelsey_grimm]: I think one of the best pieces of advice I've ever been given is to live in

741
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[kelsey_grimm]: the moment

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[rebecca_george]: Mm.

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[kelsey_grimm]: the moment, because he are onlyly promised. Now we don't get

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: tomorrow. Maybe you know, but we get right now. So make it account.

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[rebecca_george]: I love that. Okay. What is the best book that you have read lately or one of

747
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[rebecca_george]: your favorites that you want people to know about?

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[kelsey_grimm]: Oh go. is it sad that the first thing that popped into my head was the O crap

749
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[kelsey_grimm]: potty turning book That

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[rebecca_george]: No,

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[kelsey_grimm]: is like Grams, the Fl, po.

752
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[rebecca_george]: I feel like I feel like we need to know about the O crap potty training

753
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[kelsey_grimm]: Oh goodness, if you're a mom and you're listening to this, the old crap potty

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[rebecca_george]: book?

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[kelsey_grimm]: training book is the most helpful thing that I've read in a really long time,

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[kelsey_grimm]: so go get you a copy of family Amazon And it really helped me. Boty train my

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[kelsey_grimm]: two boys.

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[rebecca_george]: Okay, Okay, I love this so much

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[kelsey_grimm]: Your honesty,

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[rebecca_george]: I love that I love honesty. I love helpful, and that's helpful, so that's

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[rebecca_george]: great. I love that. Okay, if this is going to be a fun question for you,

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[rebecca_george]: Normally people panic when I ask this, but this is more of a personality

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[rebecca_george]: question. If you had a like a go to karaoke song, what would it be?

764
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[kelsey_grimm]: My heart will go on from Titanic.

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[rebecca_george]: Yes,

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[rebecca_george]: So good,

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[kelsey_grimm]: I am awar

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[rebecca_george]: so so good.

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[kelsey_grimm]: of its, my favorite movie

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[rebecca_george]: I love that so much. so okay. what is something? This could be anything at

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[rebecca_george]: all that you are really loving in this season that you want people to know

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[rebecca_george]: about.

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[kelsey_grimm]: in general,

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: Just anything at all that I'm loving in this season.

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[rebecca_george]: literally anything.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Oh man, so I just started home school with my oldest kid

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[kelsey_grimm]: and he's four. To think he. We're doing like three days a week. It's very low

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[rebecca_george]: Oh, wow. okay,

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[kelsey_grimm]: key like no stress. ▁zone. because we're just kind of like sipping our toing,

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[kelsey_grimm]: but um, I'm actually I was really stressed about it.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: Um, and just kind of felt a little bit like oganness and' adding an extra

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[kelsey_grimm]: thing to my already very

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: full plate. And so, um, I was a little worried about that dynamic of teaching

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[kelsey_grimm]: him, but it has been

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[kelsey_grimm]: surprisingly

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[kelsey_grimm]: great. like it's

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[rebecca_george]: that's awesome.

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[kelsey_grimm]: been a really good experience of Farrber in our third week right now, and I'm

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[kelsey_grimm]: really really loving this one on one time. I'm getting to do school with him

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[kelsey_grimm]: himself. Um, it's like a really sweet season. I' just like we're both learning

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[kelsey_grimm]: at the same time

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, yeah, I love that that's so good. Okay, who has been one of the most

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[kelsey_grimm]: himselfs. question.

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[rebecca_george]: influential people in your life?

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[kelsey_grimm]: Um,

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[kelsey_grimm]: I feel like probably a lot of girls would say they' mok. but I, I would say my

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[kelsey_grimm]: mom, who've found a huge fit in my life. Um, we still talk every day. I mean,

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[kelsey_grimm]: I call her of all kinds of questions. All the mom question. Um, but I also

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[kelsey_grimm]: have a pastor at Um, my church, who has been an incredible spiritual influence

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[kelsey_grimm]: in calbanized life in the last probably three and a half years. so

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[rebecca_george]: Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: I'm that person too, and it's just very influential in my life and has. for

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[kelsey_grimm]: the last ten years.

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[rebecca_george]: so good. Okay. We talked a little bit about radiance earlier, ands kind of

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[rebecca_george]: and gave me for the podcast. And so my favorite question of all questions

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[rebecca_george]: that I love asking people right now is what about Jesus, Kelse makes you

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[rebecca_george]: radiant.

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[kelsey_grimm]: I think there was a time in my life when I thought that God needed something

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[kelsey_grimm]: from me in

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[rebecca_george]: Oh, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: order to be bled by him,

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[kelsey_grimm]: Because that was kind of a theme in my life. I

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[rebecca_george]: right,

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[kelsey_grimm]: felt like someone always needed something for me, for me to me to be a certain

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[kelsey_grimm]: thing

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[kelsey_grimm]: to be fully loved.

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: And I think what I have spent the last,

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[kelsey_grimm]: I mean several years, Um, kind of deconstructing is. what do I actually think

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[kelsey_grimm]: that God thinks about me

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[kelsey_grimm]: and what I have come to learn. anything. I'm continuing to learn This. This is

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[kelsey_grimm]: not again a place of arrival, but what I am learning is that God sees me

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[kelsey_grimm]: the way that I see my children, and if you're appearent listening to this,

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[kelsey_grimm]: then again I don't have to explain to you there is nothing that my children

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[kelsey_grimm]: could do that would make me love unless they

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[rebecca_george]: yeah, yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: are only loved and adore because of' mine, and they drive me crazy, and they

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[kelsey_grimm]: make decisions that I don't love all the time, And yet I would die for them

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[kelsey_grimm]: without a second guessp, and coming to terms with the fact that that's how God

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[kelsey_grimm]: feels about me, but it's elevated because I'm only capable of human life than

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[kelsey_grimm]: he is capable of a divine love that has corret my view of

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[rebecca_george]: yeah,

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[kelsey_grimm]: Jesus, and if he loves me that way,

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[kelsey_grimm]: and if he thinks that I amm worthy of being loved that way. Then surely there

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[kelsey_grimm]: is a radiance that comes with walking around and showing up in the world, like

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[kelsey_grimm]: back, like when you know that you are fully and utterly recklessly loved by

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[kelsey_grimm]: Jesus,

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[kelsey_grimm]: you show up differently in the world. and you do? I think you do carry a

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[kelsey_grimm]: radianance instead comes from that and that alone. So for me,

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[kelsey_grimm]: just recognizing for maybe the first time

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[kelsey_grimm]: the way that God sees me has it's changed everything.

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[rebecca_george]: that's so good. I love that so much.

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[rebecca_george]: this has been so much fun. I have loved having you. I'm so excited to share

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[rebecca_george]: the message of your book over it with our listeners, and I can't wait for

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[rebecca_george]: them to get their hands on it. so one more time, thank you Just so much for

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[rebecca_george]: being with me today.

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[kelsey_grimm]: Thank you so much for having me. it's truly been an honor. Thank you, Thank

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[kelsey_grimm]: you.